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Further, if you close a tab, the address of the old tab shows up in the address bar . . . not the address of the active tab.
Erhm... huh?
As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure offhand how to make it show "flare.solareclipse..." right now, instead of the last closed tab.
Click on the address bar (or press Alt + D) and hit ESC.
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Charles Capps
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quote:What's a tab, for instance?
A tab is ... a tab. You know. A tab. Tabbed interface. %)
Basically, instead of opening a link in a new window, you can open it in a new tab in this window. With the right set of options, you can open up many links on a page in a set of tabs, quickly, without having to go back and forth between them...
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Like a separate portion of the current browser, with its own scroll bar? A split-screen of several pages in one browser window? Could you show me a screenshot, I'm having trouble visualizing here...
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In Firefox, the tabs are attached to the main window.
"The tab line disappears completely if you have one window open..."
Unless, y'know, you toggle that option...
I had to download yet another extension just to get any tab line settings options whatsoever, but still that option did not appear. Perhaps I didn't find the best competing extension to enable me to control my tabs . . . but that's just sad. I can do that with SlimBrowser or MyIE out of the (proverbial) box.
quote:Originally posted by Charles Capps: In other words, you want the complete nightmare that comes with a "completely custom" user interface. Firefox isn't about that. It's about being a good, "simple" browser for REAL end-users, not control freaks. You'll never find what you want with Firefox.
Indeed, I won't. I don't want limited software that limits my options. While the pipe dream I spoke of refers to software that doesn't exist, I can do a helluva lot better than Firefox.
My desires are not unreasonable, and will not create a nightmare scenario. I'm not talking about PhaseOut-style browsers (see PhaseOut.Net). I simply want the options I've seen and liked all wrapped up into one.
A "real" end-user doesn't simply take what he's given and live with it, as you suggest. That's the very reason these IE front-ends like SlimBrowser have come to exist, and the very reason hard-working modders keep trying to add to the Firefox carcass.
Some people don't really need all the bells and whistles that make surfing faster, easier, and more efficient. As Omega said, "You click links. You push a few buttons. Occasionally you go to a bookmark or type a url."
Some of us, however, can get a great advantage out of the bells and whistles. It's not a contest of "oh yeah, my browser can beat up your browser" or "oh yeah, well my browser doesn't have as many hackers after it". For the sort of surfing I do, the simple fact is that Firefox just doesn't cut it, even extended out the wazoo.
quote:I'm perfectly satisfied with the stock experience, and only have two extensions
And use of the bare-bones, optionless browser is your choice. I respect the fact that you have that choice, have made it, and that it seems to work for you . . . the whole browser thing is a matter of opinion, in the long run. However, I would recommend that you try SlimBrowser or MyIE2 . . . depending on your needs, you might find that you've been missing out.
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Further, if you close a tab, the address of the old tab shows up in the address bar . . . not the address of the active tab.
Erhm... huh?
The active tab . . . the one you're looking at. I can't even tell you how often I've had a dozen tabs open (which would be a dozen separate taskbar-cluttering IE windows with normal IE) and found myself wanting to copy the URL of one of them. With Firefox, I'd have to go through the convoluted methodology described below:
quote:Click on the address bar (or press Alt + D) and hit ESC.
With SlimBrowser, MyIE2, and even Opera, I don't have to bother with that. I click the tab I want, right-click the address bar, left-click copy, and then go paste it somewhere else. No buttons pressed, no having to dig around to find out how to do something so basic. Call me lazy, but it speeds up my surfing to have a more intuitive interface.
(Don't even get me started on ICQ.)
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I'm a little confused. I have never downloaded any Mozilla extensions, because I do not believe I deserve a life of luxury and comfort, and yet, when I switch from tab to tab the displayed URL changes accordingly. Sometimes the little icon thing, if there is one, gets confused, and for awhile Flare bore the IMDB logo in my bookmarks folder. But I'm not sure that's even what's being discussed.
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"I had to download yet another extension just to get any tab line settings options whatsoever, but still that option did not appear. Perhaps I didn't find the best competing extension to enable me to control my tabs . . . but that's just sad."
I don't have Firefox on this computer, but I know from memory that it's in the plain old extensionless options under "advanced". In full-fledged Mozilla, as I have here, it's called "Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open.". I'm pretty sure it's the same or similar in FF. Just uncheck it. I'm not sure how much simpler it could be.
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Advanced > Browsing, in fact.
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quote:Originally posted by Charles Capps: Yesterday, I spent a few hours helping a new coworker clean out his personal machine, with a few others. In the six weeks that he'd had the machine, the use of an unprotected IE had resulted in over THREE DOZEN varieties of malware being installed, including one that completely hijacks IE itself and prevents it from doing pretty much anything.
Well there's the problem... unprotected IE. Any computer that is unprotected, doesn't matter if it's IE or not, is just that unprotected and a willing participate in getting infected. I notice three problems with what you said here that would have prevented the whole situation.
1) It was a new installation. I don't know exactly how long, but it would seem to me that most new installation are at least 6 months out-dated. The first thing the user should do is download the lastest update. Now someone said they had problems with the updates--- I can't speak to that, I've never had one or heard of one before this. But in all that... it is still better to try the update and have it fail, especially when it's a new installation.
2) Unprotected tells me no anti-virus software, when it comes to the Internet I consider it invitation to not have anti-virus software. Again, this is a user issue, not one with IE or Microsoft. In this same category are firewalls.
3) 3 dozen?!?! Talk about invitation! What did he do go to hackers-r-us.com and execute their happyhour download? Getting 3 dozen virii, spyware, etc... anything like that within six weeks is proof positive that your friend needs to take a course in how to safely use the Internet. I can't conceive of a way to get that many without purposely downloading them, opening attachments, or going to malicious websites.
quote:All this happened ONLY from using IE. The continued use of IE by anybody (even educated users)
And this is what we have... a difference of opinion. Since I took it upon myself to become an educated user a few years ago after getting infected by the kak.worm I haven't had a single infection or problem. I updated often, I run virus scans, I have a firewall... and I have ActiveX turned OFF. I don't even open email from unknown people in preview windows not to mention SPAM, and when surfing the web from a search engine I avoid sites that can't be trusted. Education... and paranoia is the key--- even for non-IE, non-Microsoft users. And com'on, based on your education and paranoia you choose not to use IE at all... and you call it stupidity, but I feel confident enough to continue to use it without fear.
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quote:Originally posted by Nim: What's a tab, for instance?
An Eighties low-joule carbonated cola beverage.
My local grocery store still stocks those. Of course, it's only about 2 6-packs at a time. No telling how old they are...
Anyway, I use Mozilla (download that over Firefox because I needed the simple web page editor), never downloaded any extensions, and I have no problems using tabs, or any other issues brought up here, either. Dunno what's going on with Firefox, since it's basically the same.
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Charles: If you have time and aren't sick of this string, I'd like to see you respond to the post J has above. I do the same thing he does (obsessively), but I am open to change if you or any other anti-IE'er can convince me that despite all those measures I am doomed to lose something important before Longhorn is out.
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I click the tab I want, right-click the address bar, left-click copy, and then go paste it somewhere else. No buttons pressed, no having to dig around to find out how to do something so basic.
Sir, what exactly are you calling Firefox? Because I just did exactly what you describe, and so far as I know I've been able to do it with every prior version of the browser. What version are you running, what OS, and where did you get it?
I am open to change if you or any other anti-IE'er can convince me that despite all those measures I am doomed to lose something important before Longhorn is out.
You're not doomed. You just increase your odds.
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And increase your frustration. I have to use IE at work or an ancient version of Netscape. Once I put the google task bar on I at least had popup blocking, for awhile. Now I'm getting leak through on that. With Mozilla's products or Safari, no leak through + tabs = browsery goodness.
I'm not using windows, so not worried about most of the security issues but just the improvements in user interface is enough reason to change over - I mean come on mozilla's stuff is free...and it isn't like you can really delete IE off your windows box anyhow so you can use it when the mood strikes.
(Till Charles starts bashing you for not using a *nix based OS )
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