Jay: Titles and codes remain Constitutional and the law of the land until they are struck down by the Court.
Yep.
Omega: And would this apply to segregation laws in the South decades ago? Slavery?
Yep. Both were Constitutional until ruled un-Constitutional.
Jay: Slavery is in the Constitution isn't it. Slavery was amended out of existance and segregation met challenge with the Civil Rights Act
Yep.
Jay: You neglect to take into account US Code, which in the American system acts as the means of the federal legislature to interpret the Constitution. It is up to the Court to strike down legislation that it interprets as unconstitutional.
Damn skippy.
Omega: And my point is that NO possible interpretation of the Constitution can allow for the laws in question
This from a person who thinks NASA in un-Constitutional? Omega, if the Constitution is law, then what it says is law until there is an ammendment or struck down as Unconstitutional. In this case, slavery and segregation WERE Constitutional until the Court ruled them un-Constitutional.
Unless you're going to say that what's written there isn't, in fact, the law of the land,
It is infact the law of the land. Until ammended or ruled unconstitutional.
I frankly don't give a darn what the legislature and the courts do
See, I call that ignorance. Clinging to the past. Etcetra etcetra.
I will follow the law of the land in order of precidence
Which is set by who? Just out of my own curiousity.
and in accordance with my pre-existing beliefs
Right. NASA and Highways: illegal! Pre-marital sex evil! Bible good, OT bad. Yeeeesh.
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The popular vote that instituted the Constitution.
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I would say to that Omega that you are about as wrong on this issue as you are on most others you argue about.
Read some Constitutional law and get back to me, otherwise you sound uninformed and just plain not knowledgeable about the law and how it works.
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Yeah, we all know how important the popular vote isn't, don't we?
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Now you too can know how many days we've got left with un-Curious George as president.
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***well, that made now sense*** I am going to shut up for a bit now.
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Tell me, you people who think that the law is the law until it's changed, regardless of whether the Constitution says otherwise: What if someone passed a law that eliminated all courts, and turned the country into a literal dictatorship. Would THAT be the law?
We have a Constitution for a reason.
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Only if the legal process for making such a law was followed. If this type of thing were to be started, in or out of the existing legal process I can think of a few associates of mine from the military that might be a bit perturbed by it, and would, most likely hand things.
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I'm simply stating that the electoral college is more important in determining the president than the popular vote. Hence, the popular vote isn't important. Would you disagree with this? Then shut the fuck up. Thank you.
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A law that is passed to get rid of the courts would be struck down as unconstitutional, since the constitution provides for the Supreme Court. It is paradoxial.
Jeff: That summary was well spoken. I completetly agree with the answers given.
I may not like that slavery and segregation was once allowed by law. I may not like the fact that abortion is allowed by law. However that does not change the fact that a law is a law until otherwise repealed.(normally by means of the United States Supreme Court) This is best exampled with the Prohibition amendment.
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A law that is passed to get rid of the courts would be struck down as unconstitutional, since the constitution provides for the Supreme Court.
So thus the Constitution would be the higher law? Thank you.
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Gotta get Congress to 'make it so', and does anybody imagine that such a thing happening, in this country anyway? Omega, can you come up with a better example?
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Yes, the constitution is the be-all end-all of United States Law. Any law that is passed must adhere to it, elsewise it can (and most likely will) be struck down by the Supreme Court.
US Codes, however, are law, therefore they must be followed. However they fall under the Constitution, which governs the making of those laws. Such US Codes include the hiring and handling of employees. There is a code that says that you may not discriminate because of race, sex, color, sexual orientation, belief, or handicap.
However, the US Constitution is not as interpretive as some may think. Many cases have been won and lost because of the actual wording of the Constitution.
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Also, it's important to keep in mind that the Supreme Court doesn't go around looking through the various laws of the land and deciding if they're legal or not. A case has to be brought to the Supreme Court for the Supreme Court to rule on it ...
It's also important to note that the Supreme Court doesn't always rule correctly. Or, at least, in the terms as we think of it today. Look at Dred Scott.
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