Charles Capps
We appreciate your concern. It is noted and stupid.
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quote:The quoted law is unconstitutional.
Five years ago, my father was fired. He was one of many who were fired. All were over 50.
They actively pursued a case with the EEOC citing discrimination.
So, you're saying that this action is unconstitutional?
Technically I am mentally retarded. I have a learning disability. I have brain damage.
If I was fired or failed to be hired because my employer discovered this, are you saying that under the Constitution, I would have no rights whatsoever to whack the employer upside the head?
Omega, you've said some really stupid shit before, but that absolutely tops it all.
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If you are in an 'at will' state the business owners/managers don't have to make up a good excuse, just a so-so one. I've seen people fired for going in to work while sick, because they could have everyone else sick. That was the 'reason' anyway. The truth was, he was determined, nothing definite, to be a homosexual. The gut feeling of the supervisor. He didn't unemployment, they determination was that he had caused a health risk at work, from a common cold.
More often than not I have seen the Government, in the form of the Michigan Unemploymeny Agency, screw people over like this. Since the supervisor didn't let on about why he fire the guy for several years there was nothing the guy could do.
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"As for QW, of course the Constitution can change to adapt to a changing society. Thing is, it hasn't changed in the way you suggest. The constitution is the highest law of this country, and if you don't like it, either deal with it, propose an ammendment, or move to France. Frankly, I don't care which."
Fine. I wouldn't want to spend one minute more in this country after you and your christian-fascist looneies turn this country into a police state. So, as the humans like to say, UP YOURS! *LOL* (Quote attributed by G'Kar)
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We had a couple of gay people at the last place I worked. They were the best dressers, but absolutly appalling at bowling.
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Do you really think any business that wanted to be successful could survive with a discriminatory outlook like that for more than, say, 30 seconds?
No, of course not. It's an incredibly stupid thing to do, but again, it's my money, and I can do stupid things with it if I want.
That's an EXTREMELY narrow view of the 10th Amendment.
Extremely narrow? It says that all powers not granted to the federal government are forbidden it. How much room for interpretation is there?
Incidentally, the Constitution doesn't 'override' it. It simply doesn't mention it.
Exactly my point. If the Constitution doesn't mention it, the federal government can't do it. Period.
Although the EEOC MAY be considered come under the ability of the government, under the Constitution, to regulate commerce.
INTER-STATE commerce.
If there was any real Constitutionality question, there have been numerous times, no doubt, when the question came before a more conservative Supreme Court since 1964.
Oh, yes, the Supreme Court is ALWAYS right. Just like when they wrote new law with Roe v. Wade, or in Dred Scott, or...
Charles:
Five years ago, my father was fired. He was one of many who were fired. All were over 50. They actively pursued a case with the EEOC citing discrimination. So, you're saying that this action is unconstitutional?
He can sue as he pleases. If he wins, the decision will be incorrect, as it will be based on an unconstitutional law. Assuming, of course, that there wasn't a clause in his contract saying otherwise. Yes, I'm sorry your father got fired, and based on the little information I have on the situation, I'd say the company did a stupid thing. But they have the right to do what they did.
If I was fired or failed to be hired because my employer discovered this, are you saying that under the Constitution, I would have no rights whatsoever to whack the employer upside the head?
Yes, I am. You also, however, have the right to make a large public fuss about it, and thus destroy the company. You shouldn't go running to the federal government every time you have a problem. There's always a better solution.
QW:
I wouldn't want to spend one minute more in this country after you and your christian-fascist looneies turn this country into a police state.
Since this statement has no relevence to my stated beliefs, I must assume you intended to quote someone else, and respond to them.
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I would suggest that any argument about labor laws can not be made without looking at US Code which are laws based on interpretation of the Constitution. Titles and codes remain Constitutional and the law of the land until they are struck down by the Court.
And if you think that the Constitution is not subject to interpretation or that the Court is not in the business of doing so, then you seemed to have missed the last election. www.findlaw.com is your firend.
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I wouldn't want to spend one minute more in this country after you and your christian-fascist looneies turn this country into a police state.
"Since this statement has no relevence to my stated beliefs, I must assume you intended to quote someone else, and respond to them."
Oh it MOST certainly does. Don't like being called out for what you REALLY are huh?
What a crybaby.
*leaves for the duration of this thread*
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Exactly how do you think you know my beliefs better than I do? And you people accuse ME of being arrogant? Give me a break.
Jay:
Titles and codes remain Constitutional and the law of the land until they are struck down by the Court.
And would this apply to segregation laws in the South decades ago? Slavery?
An unjust law is no law.
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Please stop doing that Jordan. It's sinking to the level of playground name-calling. Argue with him all you want, but don't post the equivelent of:
"I don't agree with you, you smelly piece of smellyness."
"What are you talking about?"
"Ah! You know I'm talking to you! You've admitted you're smelly! Smellyhead!"
It's just a teensy-weensy bit childish.
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I saw it. Very nice useage there, UM. Very "pun"-iffic.
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Slavery is in the Constitution isn't it. Slavery was amended out of existence and segreation met challenge with the Civil Rights Act.
What is the point?
You neglect to take into account US Code, which in the American system acts as the means of the federal legislature to interpret the Constitution. It is up to the Court to strike down legislation that it interprets as unconstitutional.
However, you can't be taken seriously in your legal or Constitutional arguments when you neglect US Code and when you neglect the fact that the Constitution is an interpretative document.
And peaceful means of protest are open for you to act on if you believe something wrong with current law.
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And my point is that NO possible interpretation of the Constitution can allow for the laws in question. Unless you're going to say that what's written there isn't, in fact, the law of the land, I frankly don't give a darn what the legislature and the courts do. I will follow the law of the land in order of precidence, and in accordance with my pre-existing beliefs.
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