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Neither actually. Schweppes. And IMO it tastes ungood. Reminds me of a cherry-flavoured penicillin I had to drink as a kid. White, creamy bitter stuff, made me throw up every time. I cheered when they gave me pills instead. But enough about me, how do YOU do?
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Psychology. Not Psychiatry There's a whole 4 letters different there.
And the weathers surprisingly sunny. I am going up to London now, and then I am going to go watch a Gundam Wing DVD that a mate of mine has bought. I am living the life that is high.
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NBC News ran a story about the vandalism. (the only major network to do so, unsurprisingly) Beyond the typewriter keys, it included desks glued shut, doors jimmied so that they locked people inside, computers broken or tapewormed, graffitti on the walls, and various obscene messages left in different modes (on copying paper, on answering machines, etc.).
Estimated damages at around $200,000. So that's what the hissy fit cost us.
They quoted someone from the Clinton administration who said that during THEIR turnover, a couple of hard drives came up missing, but "Nothing to the scale of what's happened here."
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Do you think the Clinton Administration ordered this, or was it the work of probably a few misgruntled employees? Sure it's sad, but honestly, in this day and age of government waste, $200,000 is hardly a drop in the bucket.
Honestly, I think it would be almost impossible to identify the perpetrators -- how would you do so? Fingerprints? DNA tests?
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$200,000 would keep the library I work at open for half a year. It would pay my salary for TEN years. It's hardly a drop to us.
In any case, the new administration seems disinclined to attempt a prosecution, which, while morally satisfying, would probably only end up costing us more money.
Oh, and today's paper says Greenspan's supported the Bush Tax Cut. Ooer!
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Yeah, so Greenspan says tax cut = bad for HOW long and he just changes his mind like that? Hmmm. Gotta wonder about the timing. Scheming Republicans.
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Well, let's see ... 91% of blacks voted for the Democratic Party. Proof enough.
Can you say "circular reasoning"? Sure, I knew you could. Now whether you know what it means or not, that's a different question altoghether.
All it is is proof that 91% of minorities BELIEVE that the GOP has a bad track record on minorities, or at least that the DNP has a significantly better one. Since this is patently not true (seeing as even you can't manufacture the evidence), the question is, "Why do they believe this?" What answer do you propose?
"Yes, and rehab wouldn't work, for the reasons Fo2 explained"
John Downey, Jr. and data 16 years out of date is hardly conclusive.
Then neither is your evidence. Human nature doesn't change over a decade and a half.
Hello, oh little one! Your beliefs are extreme right.
Yes, and they're shared by a good chunk of the country. Get used to it. You are NOT mainstream.
Not to mention he's an advocate of gay rights, and aren't you rather against that?
"Gay rights" as defined as? Give me specifics instead of buzzwords, or I can't answer you.
Speaking of which, didn't you recently change your opinion on the Death Penalty from against to for?
Not exactly. I don't like it on a personal moral basis, but I also don't think that I can try and have it outlawed based on some feeling I might have. From a purely logical standpoint, all evidence I've seen points to capital punishment being a good idea. Therefore, legislatively, I must support it.
Greenspan says tax cut = bad for HOW long and he just changes his mind like that?
Um... perhaps because the economy just went bad after eight years of Clinton, and now we absolutely must have one to avoid a recession?
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"Gay rights" as defined as? Give me specifics instead of buzzwords, or I can't answer you."
Howabout the right to NOT be fired from your job because the boss don't like gays? Howabout the right to be able to rent/buy a house with your domestic partner without any hassle from homophobic landlords and or rental agencies? Howabout the right to just live in PEACE and not be bashed to and fro by bigoted people?
You're such the constitutional know-it-all. My and many other's 15th amendment rights have been CONSTANTLY and VICIOUSLY violated for years. Explain THAT.
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Howabout the right to NOT be fired from your job because the boss don't like gays?
That's not a right. If it's in your contract, that's a different story, but otherwise, your boss can fire you for whatever dumb reason he cares to come up with. It's his money, and he can determine what he wants to do with it.
The employer has a right to his money. YOU, OTOH, do not have a right to your employer's money, nor does anyone else.
Howabout the right to be able to rent/buy a house with your domestic partner without any hassle from homophobic landlords and or rental agencies?
Again, not a right, unless the "hastlers" are breaking some law, or a contractual obligation.
How about the right to just live in PEACE and not be bashed to and fro by bigoted people?
Please define "bashed to and fro".
My and many other's 15th amendment rights have been CONSTANTLY and VICIOUSLY violated for years.
Your right to vote has been denied because you're black?
Might want to look at that particular ammendment some time.
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quote:That's not a right. If it's in your contract, that's a different story, but otherwise, your boss can fire you for whatever dumb reason he cares to come up with. It's his money, and he can determine what he wants to do with it.
Using that ultra right-wing philosophy I have every right to shoot the boss in the head...afterall, it is a private act between two people. I have every right to act on whatever dumb emotion I feel like without interference.
As with everything in life, there is a responsibility that comes with gathering together in communities for mutual benefit.
Ah, screw that. Back to the caves everyone!! Omega's buying!!
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"That's not a right. If it's in your contract, that's a different story, but otherwise, your boss can fire you for whatever dumb reason he cares to come up with. It's his money, and he can determine what he wants to do with it.
The employer has a right to his money. YOU, OTOH, do not have a right to your employer's money, nor does anyone else."
What about the woman who was fired from her job of 15 years at "Cracker Barrell" for just being a lesbian? She was singled out and FIRED because the owners "felt" that her orientation ran contrary to their policy of "Christian family ideology". She had worked there for many years, everyone knew she was lesbian and had never missed a day of work and was a model employee. But yet, she was fired for no reason other than she was lesbian.
"Howabout the right to be able to rent/buy a house with your domestic partner without any hassle from homophobic landlords and or rental agencies?"
"Again, not a right, unless the "hastlers" are breaking some law, or a contractual obligation."
Ever heard of something called Equal Housing Oppurtunity laws under the US. Dept. Housing and Urban Development?
Please define "bashed to and fro".
Okay. How about hate crimes against gays and lesbians in theis country? Need a specific example? Matt Sheppard, you idiot.
My and many other's 15th amendment rights have been CONSTANTLY and VICIOUSLY violated for years.
"Your right to vote has been denied because you're black?
Might want to look at that particular ammendment some time."
That was a typo on my part. I meant Amendment 14. Read Section One and tell me that hasn't happened.
If all these people doing these bad things are clearly ignoring the Constitutional Amendments, how do you think they're going to deal with a LESSER law?
They're going to ignore it, too.
Mostly because 'sexual orientation' isn't on the protected list, even though science is showing it to be far less of a "choice" than religion is.
What y'all need to do is found a religion that allows you to be gay. then you can sue based on religious discrimination... and the right wing will HAVE to support you.
Meanwhile, education about the biological origins of homosexuality is the key. Don't chant, talk. Drag out the data and clobber them with it.
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All it is proof that 91% of minorities BELIEVE that the GOP has a bad track record on minorities, or at least that the DNP has a significantly better one. Since this is patently not true (seeing as how you can't manufacture the evidence), the question is, "why do they believe this?" What answer do you propose?
Maybe they believe it because -- I dunno -- it's true. I notice that you're not sprouting evidence of times the GOP has supported minority rights. It was Democrats who signed into law the Civil Rights Act, and it was the Democracts who ordered the FBI into Mississippi to make sure all those lovely rednecks couldn't interfere with blacks getting to vote. All that and more
But the point I was originally making, is that many Republicans believe that the only reason minorities stay with the DNP is because that the Democrats "lie" and otherwise manipulate them, and I'm pointing out that that assumption is very racist -- blacks can't think for themselves? Very racist indeed.
Then neither is your evidence. Human nature doesn't change over a decade and a half
I don't think I said it did. All I said was that testing would improve, making it more accurate and -- thus! -- easier to find out whether or not the rehab is working.
Yes, and they're shared by a good chunk of the country. Get used to it. You are NOT mainstream
Er. Actually, neither are you. As far as I am to the left, you are to the right. The majority of the country is centrist moderates. And you know what? I like not being mainstream. I like being an individual with my own thoughts that I don't get fed to me by hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh or Dr. What's-Her-Name.
"Gay Rights" as defined as? Give me specifics instead of buzzwords, or I can't answer you
Well, it's not like you ever answer me anyway.
Gay rights ...
The right not to be persecuted for one's sexual preference.
The right to marry another member of the same sex
The right to equal protection under the law.
Um ... perhaps because the economy just went bad after eight years of Clinton, and now we absolutely must have one to avoid a recession?
Um. Riiiight. As I see it, the economy was great under Clinton. Employement at an all time high ... then Bush comes in, and suddenly we need a tax cut to avoid a recession? Dammit, Gore, why didn't you win? I'd rather have a strong economy over a tax cut, thank you very much!
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What about the woman who was fired from her job of 15 years at "Cracker Barrell" for just being a lesbian?
I disagree with their policy. However, Cracker Barrel has a right to determine who they will or will not employ. Period. Dot it, file it, stick it in a box marked "done".
Ever heard of something called Equal Housing Oppurtunity laws under the US. Dept. Housing and Urban Development?
US Constitution trumps that. And nearly everything else, for that matter.
How about hate crimes against gays and lesbians in theis country?
The people who commit hate crimes are punished. What more do you ask?
I meant Amendment 14. Read Section One and tell me that hasn't happened.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall and State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Are your privileges or immunities abridged by a current US or state law? Have you been deprived of life, liberty, or property by the government without due process? Have you been denied equal protection by the government?
Rob:
What y'all need to do is found a religion that allows you to be gay. then you can sue based on religious discrimination... and the right wing will HAVE to support you.
Wrong, Rob. People have the right to discriminate based on religion, as well.
JK:
Maybe they believe [that the GOP has a bad track record on minority rights] because -- I dunno -- it's true.
Your evidence being? You're making an assertion. Now prove it.
It was Democrats who signed into law the Civil Rights Act
A democrat. Not "democrats". The DNP was the most voiceferous opponent of the act in congress. It was the GOP that shoved it through.
All that and more
More? Do tell.
blacks can't think for themselves? Very racist indeed.
I would agree that such a belief would be racist. However, as I know no one who holds such a belief, I fail to see your point.
The majority of the country is centrist moderates.
Every poll I've seen shows 1/3 liberal, 1/3 conservative, and 1/3 moderate, to within two percentage points.
I like being an individual with my own thoughts that I don't get fed to me by hatemongers
Then why not be one?
Gay rights ...
The right not to be persecuted for one's sexual preference.
Got that.
The right to marry another member of the same sex
Should have that.
The right to equal protection under the law.
Got that.
So... what's your point?
As I see it, the economy was great under Clinton.
Until January 2000.
Bush comes in, and suddenly we need a tax cut to avoid a recession?
How, praytell, could a man who's been president for all of five days have caused an economic downturn that started a full year ago?
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