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US Constitution trumps that. And nearly everything else, for that matter
Remember folks, this is a guy who thinks Highways and NASA are unconstitutional.
Wrong, Rob. People have the right to discrimate based on religion, as well
Discrimination is bad, be it of blacks, gays, or the religious. Why should people treat you different because of the color of your skin, the cross around your neck, or your sexual preference?
A democrat. Not "Democrats". The DNP was the most voiceferous opponent of the act in Congress. It was the GOP that shoved it through.
Your evidence being ... ?
Your evidence being? You're making an assertion. Now prove it.
I did. Why don't you show some times that the Republican Party has helped minorities?
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Me - "What about the woman who was fired from her job of 15 years at "Cracker Barrell" for just being a lesbian?"
O - "I disagree with their policy. However, Cracker Barrel has a right to determine who they will or will not employ. Period. Dot it, file it, stick it in a box marked "done"."
So, you're saying it's perfectly FINE to fire someone, despite their excellent performance on the job, is ok? Just for that, i'm gonna sack all the Christians that's in GCSA for JUST being Christian. Is that OK with you?
Me - "Ever heard of something called Equal Housing Oppurtunity laws under the US. Dept. Housing and Urban Development?"
O - "US Constitution trumps that. And nearly everything else, for that matter."
*sighs* I'm not even gonna argue this one with you. You won't get it.
Me - "How about hate crimes against gays and lesbians in this country?"
O - "The people who commit hate crimes are punished. What more do you ask?"
For justice.
Me - "I meant Amendment 14. Read Section One and tell me that hasn't happened."
O- "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall and State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Are your privileges or immunities abridged by a current US or state law? Have you been deprived of life, liberty, or property by the government without due process? Have you been denied equal protection by the government?
Yes, I have. I can't marry my BF, he's not entitled to any of my benefits. If I die, my parents can waltz right on in, shove him aside and take everything from us. That's happened here in Florida. Oh and we can't adopt either because bigots like YOU say that "we recruit" or that we're not fit to be parents. Or whatever reason. There are MANY more examples I can site but i'm a busy person and if you really need to know, go to gay.com (I think that's the URL) to read up on how bigots like you have constantly fucked with us.
JK - "The right not to be persecuted for one's sexual preference."
O - "Got that."
Oh, REALLY? Then why does anti-gay crime happen?
JK - "The right to marry another member of the same sex"
O - "Should have that."
Damn right. And the second it does become legal, me and my BF are gettin' married.
JK - "The right to equal protection under the law."
1.) When did benefits packages become a 'right?' my Gf wouldn't be covered under MY benefits package if we got married, either.
2.) Couldn't you just WILL your partner all your stuff if you croak? As long as you demonstrate sound mind, your will can't be overturned legally. And you cann will your stuff to anyone you want to. At least, not without a HEAP of hassle on your parents.
3.) Doesn't the Equal Emplotment Opportunity Commission have something to say about employers practicing religious discrimination, O?
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How many states are like Michigan, at will? You are hired and fired at the will of the employer, unless you have a legally binding contract for employment. This also works in reverse, you can quit a job at anytime for any reason. If an employer fires someone for being a homosexual and let it be known that that was their reason, then they shouldn't have a business or be in a position to do such actions.
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Hmm. Is this your first serious relationship Jordy? I'd wait a while before you jump into the emotional mindfield that is marriage. You're barely 20. Go out and have fun with your life before you settle down.
I always thought that the law stated that there must be good reason for someone to be fired. Gross incompetence is a good reason. Homosexuality is not. Posting pornography using the company computer network is a good reason. Enjoying ham and ketchup sandwiches is not. And so on.
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I always thought that the law stated that there must be good reason for someone to be fired.
Maybe in your country. Over here, we have all-overriding law that says otherwise.
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"All-overiding law"? Is this law perhaps sent down from heaven, for his chosen people; the religious right of the US?
I'm just a bit confused by your choice of words. Saying "our law is different" would make sense, but "we have an all-overiding law that says otherwise, you poor, poor Brittish-type person"?
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And that would be the constitution, right? Well nowhere in it does it say "Thou shall not add to nor take away anything in this document." You seem to want the constitution to remain static, unchanging. Well, guess what times change. People change and COUNTRIES change. And if the constitution cannot be changed to reflect the many wild changes this country has, can and WILL go though...then it ain't worth the paper it's wrote on.
And if you can't accept that, then we'll remember you with a certain wistful fondness. Much like the way we remember the Dodo bird. Which seems you have a deal in common with.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
Under Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including hiring and firing.
Title VII and the ADA cover all private employers, state and local governments, and educational institutions.
So I'm afraid that the statement Omega made about an overriding law about not needing a good reason is... oh, what is it we say about such things... 'pulled out of his ass?'
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So I'm afraid that the statement Omega made about an overriding law about not needing a good reason is... oh, what is it we say about such things... 'pulled out of his ass?'
The Constitution trumps pretty well everything, Rob. You can't tell me who I can and can not hire, because it's my money, and I can thus do whatever I want with it, short of damaging something not belonging to me. Period. The quoted law is unconstitutional.
As for QW, of course the Constitution can change to adapt to a changing society. Thing is, it hasn't changed in the way you suggest. The constitution is the highest law of this country, and if you don't like it, either deal with it, propose an ammendment, or move to France. Frankly, I don't care which.
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Gotta watch that slippery logic, pal. You're heading to where even most of the superconstitutionalists won't go. That's an EXTREMELY narrow view of the 10th Amendment.
Do you really think any business that wanted to be successful could survive with a discriminatory outlook like that for more than, say, 30 seconds? It's not a viable business policy, and hasn't been for nearly 40 years.
Incidentally, the Constitution doesn't 'override' it. It simply doesn't mention it. (The Extremely Narrow view of Amendment 10 notwithstanding.) Although the EEOC MAY be considered come under the ability of the government, under the Constitution, to regulate commerce. certainly a lot more execrable laws have been passed that way, rather than the esentially benign EEOC.
It's a tricky thing, when you start saying that whatever isn't mentioned under the overriding law is permitted. If we take the words and "commandments" of Jesus (which number 2) as the 'overriding' voice of God, we soon see that virtually everything he didn't mention (which is a LOT) would be permitted.
Falling back on the OT prohibitions, say, against homosexuality, would fall outside the scope of the overriding laws.
Remember, the Constitution and most of the Amendments give Congress the right to create laws to see that the Amendments are enforced. HOW they do that is up to Congress.
If there was any real Constitutionality question, there have been numerous times, no doubt, when the question came before a more conservative Supreme Court since 1964. If it wasn't struck down then..
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