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the encyclopedia also lists an extra rank pin that doesnt make sense, the variant of the pin that was before it only with the longer bar sticking out of it.. their captain pin was unseen on the show, but having two variants of the pin under don't make sense, especially since one of them was never seen onscreen..

i've put up my version on my insignia page: http://captainmike.org/Galactopedia/insignia.html

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Wow.. according to your enlisted insignia there are still Boatswain Mates and Quartermaters. And the crewman recuit gets a single stripe. I think the Navy use to have one stripe for E-1, but ditched it.

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well, since there was no insignia for recruit i decided to use the coast guard one stripe..

on the other stuff, what else looks odd to you?

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Just noticed that Rom's uniform had the colours switched:

http://www.trek47.com/ds9/images/char13d.jpg
http://frankg.dgne.com/bri/images/episodes/past/okala.jpg

Maybe a distinction between officers and enlisted men?

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IIRC, Rom's uniform was more of a white & aqua colour.

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so, for the Bajoran services we have these color schemes:

dark red/coral was worn by Kira for her job as station liaison (& commander), and by the Bajoran ground soldiers in 'Shakaar'

dark gray/gray = engineers, military general & the station occupation force in the 'Homecoming' 3parter [not canon, but Ro wears gray as security chief in the Avatar books]

brown/beige = security deputies, seen only on non-commissioned personnel, never for officers

light gray/aqua = maintenance/engineering, seen only for non commissioned personnel, never for an officer

blue & orange (?) = medical , seen only on Bashir's Bajoran assistants

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whoops.. just checked, seems the 'Shakaar' force was mixed red and gray.. possibly just the command officers ( Colonel Lenaris and his number one) wearing the red? .. not a good idea as military color schemes go..  -

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Of course, it could all refer to some sort of a religious caste system rather than to any identifiable military identification system. People in red are The Exalted Upper Caste That Can Decide On Its Own Beliefs Each Morning, those in grey follow the Pure Agnostic path, the beiges are the Fatalist Followers, and the whitish is reserved for Those Who Don't Matter.

These could also be regional identifiers: each continent has a traditional cloth manufacturing method that results in a certain color, and the wearers honor the colors of their homelands.

Or then Bajorans are largely colorblind and don't differentiate between red, grey and beige infantry uniforms, whose color differences are only due to minor periodic adjustments to the fiber manufacturing process.

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Well, we can rule out the caste idea as the Bajorans did away with their d'jarra's during the Occupation.

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Or so they say. If even the supposedly outgoing and free-thinking people who agree to live on the Fed-controlled Cardassian space station were so quick to fall back on the old patterns, one wonders how much change really took place down on the planet.

We basically only saw the still-going-strong religious caste down there, plus a few ministers, one general, a bunch of orphans, and one ex-collabo, all of them on separate occasions. So it's hard to tell how caste-to-caste interaction really would take place on New And Improved Bajor. Perhaps a garment still is a political statement?

(And what sort of a statement is Kira making when she switches to high heels? Perhaps the concept of "uniform" just plain isn't uniform in the Bajoran Militia.)

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On a separate note, I think I think of CaptainMike's rank charts as the definite version now... I think.

Just one question: why are the TMP-era flag cuff markings different from the TOS-era ones? ENT (Adm. Forrest) seems to support the TOS scheme where the narrow stripes go both above and below the thick/triple stripe for Vice Admiral, so I'd suggest that this also be true of the TMP scheme.

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Just out of curiosity, who wears the "4 pips with a line under them" Fleet Captain insignia?
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Sloan wore that one. He was a "Deputy Director" with Internal Affairs or something. Oh, and he was working for Section 31, but obviously they don't wear insignia.

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Isn't it possible that the line underneath means that the insignia is for a non-line position (someone in a Starfleet agency or something) rather than the regular insignia that Starfleet officers wear? So, the rank of "Deputy Director" in that agency is the equivalent grade of a captain, so he gets 4 pips, but with a line to indicate he isn't a regular officer (and couldn't commandeer a ship or anything). So an "Assistant Director" might get 3 pips with a line, etc.

(It would be rather ironic of Starfleet to give a line to non-line officers but i'll ignore that [Smile] )

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About Kira's Season 7 pin: It was just a silver Major pin, right? Now that reminds me of US Army rank insignia. Lt. Colonels wear silver oak leaves while Majors wear gold oak leaves. So, maybe Kira was just a Lt. Colonel in Season 7? That would also explain her Starfleet Commander rank.

Other stuff:

Found a Bajoran captain in "Battle Lines":
http://home.arcor.de/spike730/screenshots/captain1.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/spike730/screenshots/captain2.jpg

It appears that there are two different uniforms for medical officers:
Past Prologue
Babel

And finally, to create more confusion, Colonel Lenaris's rank pin looked like the Major pin but with a thick gold rim.

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