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Eastern Siberia is probably not a priority target. And Harry, The Rozhenkos beamed over from "Earth Station Bobruisk". Now before you say it was a ground-based station, the facility the Enterprise was docked at in that same episode was Earth Station McKinley. Stands to reason there was still a city underneath the station's orbit (or mountain in the latter's case), but no 100% guarantee.
Where was Devinoni Ral born? I know they said European Hegemony, but I think I remember a city, too.
When was Leningrad mentioned in Star Trek IV?
Have we had any mention of Central or South America, besides Hoshi's school in Brazil?
For that matter, any mention of India or Southeast Asia?
Surprising dearth of places in what was recently called the "Third World". I find it telling that up until TNG, all references were to the "Third World War", rather than to WWIII...
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quote:When was Leningrad mentioned in Star Trek IV?
When they list severe weather conditions on Earth.
I remember LaForge being born in the African Confederation. And conjecture has it that Uhura was born in the United States of Africa. Of course, there are certainly enough (little) countries for two multinational organisations on the African continent.
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Leningrad in STIV.
Which, of course, raises the question of whether or not there was another Russian Revolution (possibly post-WWIII?) or SF Command just has really old maps.
Or Leningrad has never been renamed to St. Petersburg in the Trekverse.
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Ezri mentions Rio de Jeinero as a good place to live (Jadzia loved it), Keiko's mother lives in Kumamoto, Japan. Venezuela is still around. And Archer grew up in New York.
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Also another question I came up with is that if Starfleet Command is based in San Fransisco and presummably most of Kirk's crew were probaly familier with the area in the 24th Century how come Uhura and Chekov couldn't find their way to Alameda in ST:IV?
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20th centruy SF probably looks a lot different than 23rd century SF.
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Except they didn't seem to know where the place is at all, which I find strange for two people who graduated from an Academy based in the Bay Area. Unless Alameda somehow dropped off the face of the earth, It's like someone going to college for four years in New York City and not knowing where Brooklyn is.
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Considering that the scene was largly done for laughs and most of it was improvised I wouldn't read too much into it. Logically they could have just hailed a cab, but then they probably didn't know what a cab is.
However, they seamed to know of Alameda, they just didn't know how to get there on foot. I presume that in the 23rd Century there would have been an extensive subterranian rail system (as I've drawn on my map) and very few people would actually walk the 15 miles from the Presideo, across the bay to Alameda.
Even if they did, as Spike pointed out the city would have changed quite a bit over the centuries and after scrutinising maps of San Francisco and the bay area for the last few days, I can say that it's a very big place and I can imagine that it's very easy to get lost at ground level. Especially if allot of the street names and alignments are different than what you might be used to.
There is also the slightly ironic possibility that Chekov (a former navigator) has a poor sense of direction, remember that both he and Sulu managed to get lost in ST:V?
While we're naming places on Earth which are still there in the 23rd & 24th centuries, I believe one of the DS9 cargo labels was addressed to the Central Bureau of Rehabilitation in Stockholm, Sweden. The other address was of course Tantalus V.
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This is the list that I have compiled, though looking at some of the posts above, I appear to have missed a couple of places. BTW what episode mention St. Louis and Dr. Crusher's competition?
Alice Springs, Australia�Vanishing Point Anchorage, Alaska�Fight or Flight Atlanta, Georgia�The Xindi Bergen, Norway�The Maquis, Part I Bloomington, Indiana�Imperfection Boise, Idaho�City on the Edge of Forever Boston, Massachusetts�Pathfinder Brisbane, Australia�Dear Doctor Broken Bow, Oklahoma�Broken Bow Buenos Aires, Argentina�Renaissance Man Calgary, Canada�First Duty Canton, Ohio�11:59; The Andorian Incident Carbon Creek, Pennsylvania�Carbon Creek Chicago, Illinois�Manhunt; Repression Dakar, Senegal�Evolution Death Valley, California�Vanishing Point Duluth, Minnesota�The Xindi Florence, Italy�Concerning Flight Kenmare, Ireland�Breaking the Ice Kota Baharu, Malaysia�Silent Enemy Labarre, France�Chain of Command, Part II Leningrad, USSR�I, Mudd; The Voyage Home Lisbon, Portugal�Homefront London, England�The Big Goodbye Los Angeles, California�Future�s End Madison, Wisconsin�Vanishing Point Marseille, France�Non Sequitur New Orleans, Louisiana�Homefront New York City, New York�City on the Edge of Forever Paris, France�The Undiscovered Country Panama City, Florida�Fusion Pensacola, Florida�Silent Enemy Portland, Oregon�Past Tense, Part I Oakland, California�Endgame, Part I; Rogue Planet Saint Moritz, Switzerland�Waking Moments San Antonio, Texas�Manhunt San Francisco, California�Time�s Arrow Sausalito, California�Broken Bow Sinagpore�Cogenitor Tarpon Springs, Florida�The Crossing Teaneck, New Jersey�The Outrageous Okona Valdez, Alaska�The Icarus Factor
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You forgot Tokyo, Japan, mentioned also in Star Trek IV now that I remember the atmospheric conditions scene. Plus Wellington, New Zealand, in "Caretaker". Plus Bobruisk, Belarus, from "Family". And the 'Dancing Doctor' St. Louis stuff was from "Data's Day".
Were all of those up there 22nd century and later? I seem to remember some of those references being related to 21st century or earlier, such as Portland in "Past Tense"...
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P.S. I notice you omitted the larger regions, such as the African Confederation, United States of Africa, the European Hegemony, Ireland, Scotland (Aberdeen, if you accept the reams of written Trek material), Brazil, Iowa (Riverside, again referencing commonly-accepted written material).
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Depending a bit on how WWIII was fought, I find it quite plausible that the biggest cities would have had better odds of survival than the smaller ones. There could have been advanced missile defenses in place, but they'd have protected Washington better than Tuscaloosa. Or bioweapons might have been unleashed to kill city populations, but their delivery systems would have inflicted relatively little physical damage. Enough perhaps to level a small city, but not a large one. __________________________________________________
Your theory would also fit with a Counterforce Strike. It's designed to take out as much military hardware and personnel as possible (especially nuclear weapons silos) while limiting civilian casualties as best as can be done considering many military bases are located within the heart of or on the outskirts of major cities like San Diego and San Francisco, etc. __________________________________________________
Riker did insist that "major cities were destroyed". Yet we never saw any hint of war damage to the real estate in any episode or movie. Perhaps the bioweapon theory is the best angle here. Or perhaps instead of nukes, the parties used orbital bombardment techniques that destroyed cities block by block, skipping some blocks and resulting in the skylines we witness in TNG. __________________________________________________
There are a heck of a lot more open green areas in the future cities then there are now. This could be because the buildings they stood under were destroyed and have been covered over. There are far less and more widely spaced structures then modern cities.
To add to the above list there is also the (major) city of Mojave, California as shown in "The Cage".
Santa Monica, California in "Future's End".
Upstate New York is fine because Archer was born there according to "North Star".
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And Harry, The Rozhenkos beamed over from "Earth Station Bobruisk". Now before you say it was a ground-based station, the facility the Enterprise was docked at in that same episode was Earth Station McKinley. Stands to reason there was still a city underneath the station's orbit (or mountain in the latter's case), but no 100% guarantee.![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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