Topic: The $poiler-$trewn $tar Trek Movie Rumour Di$cu$$ion Thread (Did I mention $poiler$?)
Daniel Butler
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I saw VOY S7 and thought "this show sucks hard." But on a whim I watched S1 and thought "well it didn't start out that way." Kind of the reverse of TNG.
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It didn't start out that way because very talented producers and writers were at the helm for the first three seasons. Then they all quit, and Braga took over. End of story.
Really, there were only two problems with VOY at first. The Kazon were originally supposed to be space pirates, but instead were depicted as Klingon Crips and Bloods with super-advanced technology. The other problem was Neelix. Not only was he annoying, but he proved to be quite useless most of the time, other than his cooking, which anyone could have done.
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quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: I saw VOY S7 and thought "this show sucks hard." But on a whim I watched S1 and thought "well it didn't start out that way." Kind of the reverse of TNG.
That's what I had always thought, until I watched the whole series from the beginning and found that it sucked from the first episode.
Again, this is all opinion, but I think that the interesting parts of ENT far outnumber the interesting parts of VGR. Both had plenty of episodes that represent Trek at rock bottom, though.
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If this movie fails, I'm not sure that it will be the death of Trek. After all, ENT 'failed' - it was canceled due to low ratings (regardless of those who think the low ratings claim is bogus, the show was, none the less, axed).
But, if the movie does kill off Trek, I think it would be a bitter note to end on. Trek should go out on a high. In my eyes, the only show that pulled that off was TNG.
The DS9 finale was ok, but it was all to convinient - too few people just carried on as before. The show ending was their ending, unlike in TNG (but then, they were making Generations, so I suppose the DS9 wrapping up of all the stories was needed).
The VOY ending was a lame duck - we all knew they were going to get home, and after TNG and DS9, we knew it would take 7 seasons. And the Borg would have something to do with it. The whole thing was just too contrived.
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Hmm. I think Voyager season 1 was a VERY solid season. And for me season 1 includes the 4 episodes of season 2 that were held over - as I think the videos were released in Australia before the US aired them! I.e. they were in the can but not aired.
Anyway Voyager season 1 is strong. Has some good episodes.
Season 2 started failing with the Kazon arc.
Season 3 was better but this is where they started trading stories and character developement for effects and action.
Season 4 was decent the introduction of 7 of 9 picked things up a little but it wasn't for long -
Season 5, 6 and 7 while OK were't spectacular. Nowhere on Par with TNG and DS9's seasons 5,6 and 7.
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Well if Star Trek 8 and Star Trek 9 drew low audiences, then as the saying goes, the only people who keep doing the same thing and expect different results are idiots and madmen.
So a reboot was the logical step, or just some fresh new faces.
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Well, can't argue that new WRITERS wasn't a bad idea, to be sure. But I'm not sure that revisiting Kirk, et all, was a good move at this point. We'll see, I guess, but I'm decidedly iffy.
Of course, I was iffy at the live action Transformers flick too.
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Well, it could be a "spare" uniform, the type they give to crew whose uniforms are trashed, and are in need of a short-term replacement, or to visitors in need of clothing. Or, maybe it's a take on Kirk's old olive/vomit green wrap shirt.
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Well, I reckon they can still replicate/weave/grow a new uniform for the Captain.
It seems like he's wearing the black uniform under that "armored EVA suit" in the new pics. It could simply be that whatever leads him to becoming Captain happens while he's wearing that uniform, and he simply doesn't change during the movie. Putting on the proper gold uniform is then likely going to be a Significant Moment.
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It seems like the black uni Kirk has on is what everyone has on under their colored tunics. Maybe it's a cadet thing, with the others having already received assignments or something.
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Looks like it was influenced a lot by the refit. The engineering hull looks a bit skinny, and I really don't know about the nacelles. The deflector looks like a big parasol sticking out there. I suppose it will grow on me, but at least it's not completely hideous.
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