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For those of you who think trek "needs" a gay character, and use Trek's history of racial diversity as an example, you should first consider how that's going to be 'shown.'
I mean, it was pretty damned obvious to everybody that Uhura was Black, and Sulu was Asian, and nobody ever made an issue of it, and there was almost no focus at all on that aspect of their characters. They were simply 'humans.' Their parts could have been played by any person of any race, as could many other minority parts on Star Trek, except when the character's background becomes of some importance to plotlines (like Chekov's "Russian joke" Chakotay's Indian spirituality, or Janeway's Irish heritage.) And even then, had they been some other nationality, that could have been written around as well.
To put a gay character on would necessitate SHOWING everybody his/her 'gayness,' in an OBVIOUS format, (since gay folks are generally indistinguishable from everybody else) thus running contrary to Trek's history of ignoring human differences in favor of commonality. It would, instead, be making an issue out of it.
At least, that's what I think. I could be wrong.
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"Geordi gets new orders from the bridge, walks over to two engineers working on something, and says to one of them, "I'm going to need you to work late, Captain wants (insert tech here) finished in two hours." The engineer agrees, looks at the other and says, "So much for our dinner date."
Not that difficult.
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Yeah, but that's a throwaway line between two extras, not a character point in a major character. There's a difference. (Besides, having a dinner 'date' with someone of the same gender is not necessarily 'gay.')
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I think gay characters could be portrayed on Trek without a big deal being made of it. There are other ways couples of any sexual orientation make the nature of their relationship known without actually "doing the deed" before your very eyes.
But it would have to be introduced one step at a time. And probably with two females at first. Even as "liberal" as the times have become, for many the implication of two men going at it is a lot harder to stomach than two women.
But it could be done if someone with the guts to take a chance put their foot down.
But what are the chances.
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In many of the mirror universe episodes, you could tell by just listening to some of the dialoge That the indendant was bi, look at some of the scenes with Kira and the Intendant, and everbodies favorite scene with Ezri and the Intendant.
with those scenes they could play around with the female characters, and ratings soared. Fans are more accepting when it comes to lesbians than gay males. If those scenes were done with guys. Ratings would plumet so far down, and of couarse there would be protests from the major religions.
So i say that they leave well enough alone and dont try to do it.
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Well, there are. They would be the ones who are bad in this universe. I would guess that the mirror Tholians, Breen, Gorn, etc. are really nice guys. 'Course, they've probably all been conquered by the Terran Empire or the Klingon-Cardassian Allinace by now.
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Apparently Gene Roddenberry wrote a TNG episode called "Blood and Fire" which dealt with gay characters and an AIDS-type virus. However, it was never made.
If you think about it, the Dax symbiont is bisexual. It has had male and female lovers over the years, and Jadzia once kissed "her" ex-wife...
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Well, yes and no. To be fair, such a term really carries no meaning for the symbionts, which aren't even humanoid and certainly can't be squeezed into human gender roles.
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Didn't David Gerrold write "Fire and Ice" or whatever? And didn't he leave the show because it was never made?
The problem with the "So much for our dinner date scene described above", is that it's not serving the story. It's just there for the purposes of saying "LOOK! THEY'RE GAY!".
Name one instance in the history of Star Trek where we've had a similar throwaway scene between people of different races? For that matter, name a scene like that's occured between a man and a woman (who aren't main characters). It's never happened. Which is why doing it with two gays would stick out like a sore thumb and would only be their to highlight the fact that gays exist in the 24th century in an extremely intrusive manner.
But yes, I enjoyed Kira's leather trousers. Oh baby. Yeah. Ooh, look, there's a life outside of my bedroom. So I am going to go to the pub with my mates, where we shall sit and talk about nothing other than bisexual Kira all night. (That would work better if you imagine me saying it in a flat tone of voice. Typing does no favours to sarcasm).
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