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Re: NCC I just took a wild-ass guess myself. I will gladly bow to canon - or even widely fan-accepted. Of course, in the absense of such, if we get there first, we CREATE fan-accepted.
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I prefer Dave's approach to Starship Departments, which goes like this:
Each Starship has a few "Departments", which are generally grouped by similar tasks/responsibilities. Colored tabs/uniforms represent these different departments:
These are further sub-divided into "Divisions", and there may be many different Divisions under a Department. Every ship has the same Departments, but the Devisions aboard a particular ship will differ from vessel to vessel, depending on that ship's particular mission/role. A small vessel like the Thruxton Class (Prototype) may lack a shuttlebay altogether, so a Deck-Hangar Devision or Auxillary Craft Devision. This example need not be nit-picked, since I just pulled it out of my arse for the sake of a simple example.
This was how I viewed Trek departments until Voyager mentioned the "13 Departments". Perhaps they were referring to "Devisions", or, devisions are often referred to as "departments" in passing. Or, there may be more Departments, like 13.
Red: 1)Conn 2)Command
Gold: 3)Engineering 4)Engineering-Damage Control 5)Ops 6)Ops-Aux. Craft Operations 7)Security
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Lance: It may not be "canon", but I like your variation on my Department Chart (which is taken from the wetnavy). It seems to fit the "Voyager" scheme of things nicely. My interpretation of the colors: Red - "Line Officers" (in direct chain of command). The lowliest "red" ensign outranks a "blue" commander when it comes to matters affecting the ship. However, He must pay close attention to ranking "gold" officers. Gold - "Support Officers" (not in direct chain of command). However, as seen above, a "gold" officer's opinions bear considerable weight - it assumed that they have at least audited the Starfleet Command Course. Blue-Green - "Systems Officers" (basically technicians or specialists - not in chain of command - glorified civilians, granted officer status so that they may legally give orders to enlisted crewmen). Their Starfleet training omits the Command Course.
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Spock was a blue-shirt, but Sulu wouldn't dare try and give the man an order. Likewise, if McCoy tried to take command in a battle, no-one would listen to him.
Yes, those are old examples, but they bear weight. Also remember that Dax -- a blue shirt -- was next in the chain of command on DS9 after Kira.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that medical staff ranks bear less importance to the chain of command. Honestly, I think the shirt colors are there more for easy identification of a person's assigned department or division, and not a contest of "rank and shirt color!" An important distinction to note, I might add.
"I'm a Commander! I outrank you!" "But I'm an ensign, but I wear a red shirt! Nya!"
And for the contention that "gold" officers aren't in the direct chain of command, I would point out that Lt. Commander Data is the second officer of the Enterprise, and the two officers next in life (Lt. Commander LaForge and Lt. Worf) are also both gold-shirts (well, Worf's a red-shirt now, but during the series he was a gold shirt for 6 out of 7 years).
Data has done more then "audit" the Command Course -- he's taken it, or he wouldn't be that high up in the chain of command! Third in command of a Galaxy-Class starship? No, the only way someone could reach that position is by proving they can become first officer or captain if the situation requires it.
And Geordi and Worf, by your theory, would also both have taken the Command Course -- they wore red uniforms in TNG's 1st season. I would then submit that your theory is in need of revising
Also -- the Training Department was left out of the list. Yes, this is a canon department -- in TNG's The Naked Now, the Enterprise's Training Department orders all officers to attend a lecture on meta-physics.
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Dave, as for a quicktime VR thingy, most any 3D program can create the images needed, but you need a special QTVR authoring tool to stitch the images into a movie. As far as I know, this is done for real world locations by placing a camera on a tripod and taking many many snaps as you rotate it. In a 3D app, this is child's play. But there are other QTVR style programs around (cheaper than the QTVR authoring tool), but I think that the person wanting to view it would need a special viewer. My scanner came with a demo of a panorama maker (can't recall the brand), and there's other ones too. What I think you need to do is work out a plan for what exactly you want a website to consist of, and go from there. I'm not exactly sure what the focus of this project is yet, except to refine your Voyager plans, so far. Also, as for Paramount shutting down fan produced stuff, what about all those sites out there that just regurgitate scanned images from the Paramount publishings? I've found many sites that are "guides", or "resources" of trek stuff, but they are really just page after page of scanned images from the Trek Encyclopedia and Chronology. Shouldn't Paramount be pissed at the duplication of their material and posting of it on the net?
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I think Ship Services should be called Suport. That's what we call it in the AF. Support would cover everything from training, legal office, finance, personel (as in assignements and the like), quarters management (as in room assignments and maintaince), etc... And here's an intersting question: where does dential fit in to this? If the future is anything like today, doctors probably wouldn't want dentists as part of their section. And I have a problem with engineers doubling as 'home repair guys.' There would probably be a section of Support that deals with problems with things like broken furniture, bad lights, etc...
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"Home Maintenance" probably falls into the lower-rung of engineering -- in other words, it's the jobs assigned to the new guys aboard.
Dental falls under the Medical department, although the ship's CMO is presumably a surgeon who commands the entire department.
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I just don't think you need a fully qualified engineer to fix your light bulb, so to speak. And having them devote time to minute things like that would be a drain on their main focus. And anyone could probably do stuff like that. A handful of people devoted to doing room maintiance would be more efficient.
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I also want to remind folks that even Medical blue-shirts can be in the chain of command. Crusher specifically pulled bridge watches, and even took the ship into battle successfully with naught but a skeleton crew aboard. And even though I wouldn't trust her to open a sardine tin that was already opened, Troi took and passed the Commander test, also.
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Sorry, but I'm with JeffKarde on this one. No one but an Engineer-regardless of rank-has any business changing the light bulbs of a starship. Not that any tech manual actually addresses the topic of lighting.
I would also point out that any Chief Engineer worth their position, should know how to rotate those responsibilites amongst the department. No Engineer should be "too good" to change the light bulbs. The 'peon mentality' SHOULD be gone in Starfleet.
If you insist there are 'lesser' Engineers who perform basic technician work-like changing a light bulb or repairing a Replicator in an Ensigns quarters-'enlisted' (i.e. non-officers) exist in Starfleet, they have been established as such. Ex. O'Brien of TNG.
Perhaps there actually ARE 13 departments (not divisions as suggested) now. I prefer to stick with whatever has been represented, rather than follow modern military structure/terminology. That's too easy. Use the NAVY terms, as suggested, only if it has actually been duplicated in a VOY script.
It's ok to review what we've seen/heard thoughout the 7 years of Voyager.
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I think that althought Troi and Crusher took those command exams, they did it only so that in an emergency they could take command. They're still not actually in the chain of command -- unless Picard or Riker gives a specific order for them to take command, a lower ranking officer (such as Worf), would still "outrank" them.
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Jeff: I stand corrected on all counts. (But then, that's why I contacted a bunch of nitpickers in the first place...). And yes, I think that Maintenance is a sub-unit of Engineering - a good place for newbies to learn the ropes - literally going all over the ship fixing things.
Fructose 1: In the 24th century, I can't see having one doctor curing everything from sprained wrists to neuroplague, but he needs another specialist to work in the mouth. With regeneration, any doctor can be a dentist. And I agree, Support sounds better than Ship's Services.
Folks: Regarding the Deck Plans and Prototype - I haven't found out how much it will cost to ship to the UK and elsewhere. Once I do, I will sell these things at $20US (the original price) + Shipping. Fair enough?
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