I will have the images up on the page tomorrow at Midnight at the latest. I have had some problems with my server this week, not sure why. The new page and password will be mailed via the new mailing list tomorrow.
Okay, I have the honor of being the Team XO. Meaning, I suppose, I am in charge of administration.
So, all technical questions should go to Dave, I believe.
Dave, do you want to continue use of the Board, or move to the mailing list exclusively.
Bernd Schnieder is in charge of the mailing list. Any new members, please contact me, with "Add to mailing list" in the subject line. I will then ask Dave for authorization. If approved, I will have Bernd add the new member to the mailing list.
Question: We now have 26 members. I say we draw the line here before this gets to hard to maintain. Dave?
Any admin problems go through me. Email me with any questions you have, I will sift them up to Dave. I really need to know from Dave my own parameters. What are my powers? Responsiblities?
Now, we all have real lives. I work 50 hours a week, minimum, and I have only been married to my beautiful wife for three weeks. So, between social life, work, and other real life concerns, I have a difficult time squeezing things in. So, be patient, I will get back to everyone. I am mostly available Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays. I hope you all understand.
So, recap:
1) Dave's Images will be up Friday night. 2) Bernd is in charge of the mailing list. 3) Lance is in charge of admin., coordinating tasks, and answering operations questions. 4) Dave is in charge of all, and is the senior technical personality of our group. 5) We need a list of persons (Bernd has this Dave), and a table of abilities, specialties, and tasks, along with email addresses and times-of-contact. Who should build this?
In short, before we get into the technical operations of our project, we really should establish a heirarchy and operations workbook.
Seeya guys Saturday Morning, I'm busy all day tomorrow, but will get the images up by midnight.
-Lance
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Oh, what the heck. It's been a while since I've written up a Trek biog...
Real name: Jonah Rapp
Age: 26
Location: Huntington Beach, California
Significant Other: Happily engaged for nearly two years.
Occupation-like pastimes: Part-time student, full-time Treknologist and Trek historian, aspiring writer of stuff, and maker of uber-detailed deckplans.
Schooling: Eclectic and varied, including stints at community colleges, the Fashion Institute of Technology, and the University of Maryland's Asia Division.
Trek history and aptitude: I grew up with re-runs of TOS, and always liked it, but it wasn't until one moment in Star Trek IV that I reached critical mass (end credits -- musical downbeat accompanying shot of Saratoga cuts to light strings over shot of Kirk and Spock walking along the Golden Gate), and I've been lost ever since. I have everything on tape, except a significant portion of Voyager, and despite not having a DVD player yet, my DVD library is underway. I have a rather impressive Trek library, with more hard-to-find works than I really thought until I actually tried to find some of them for a friend. And posessing the annoying little genetic brain defect that results in eidetic memory, I've got more Trek-related information floating around in this cranium than anyone I've ever met.
Anything else?
--Jonah
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Lance: In order of appearance... 1- A board please (oh please, oh please...). I am using a work email (no web at home yet), and this morning it was piled higher than I am (1,97 m). Unless a discussion point is either private or sensitive, it should be okay on Flare for now - and eventually on a private board. Of course, sensitive artwork should be emailed. 2- 26 people. Oh my Ghu! I think we have reaced critical mass! Let's hold it there for now guys. The thought of my private - not-to-be-released - deck plans in 26 personal computers makes me nervous... 3- Lance, as an XO you're doing great. (praise is public, criticism private). You understand policy delegation perfectly: General Staff Command. Try to follow established policy as precedented, Refer up when a new or exception happens. Bernd/Lance: Could you guys please send me the list, formatted similar to the one I posted?
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Ya know Im tring to figure out where I really belong on this project and then it hits me that I have left out a VERY important peice of my experance out, I have spent four years on a submarine. So maybe you guys could put me in as a system consultant because on a sub you eat breath and live all the systems of the boat, and this got me thinking once a long time ago about all the systems you really need to run a starship, and how complex they all are. here are some recomendations i made to some one who wanted to do deck plans of his ship...
From another E-mail sent to some one else "ok the best way to solve other then to just let it go, is to have jon draw out complete scaled deckplans these are to inlude all command areas, bridge enginering secondary command areas all crew quarters, without intrnal arangment all labs cagro bays and shuttle bays all consumables storage tanks/lockers including duterium tanks, antimatter pods, waste recyling, replicator mass matter storage tank all transporters including systems adjacent to the transporter room torpedo launchers, including torpedo storage magazines PHASER mountings, and support systems including EPS relays and conduits Defelector generators, and associated distribution conduits all sensor bays sick bay and all other medical spaces, including isolation, dental, morge all utility accesses, jeffries tubes, eps conduits, odn lines, waste conduits, life support trunks, gravity generators, and gravity waveguide conduits computer cores, including all subproccessor trunks impulse engines, warp engines, RCS thrusters, and all related systems, and conduits escape pods holodecks and other recrational systems
I know Im forgetting someting but well handle that later."
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I am all for a forum. We need one badly. Bernd, I believe, is going to create one for us. Again, thanks Bernd, who has already created the mailing list...though my email account has never been so active since the creation of the ASDB Project in 99.
Once the new board is up and running, we will move our group there. I agree, until then, let's use this forum. I'm sure capps won't mind, it helps ratings, yes?
Lance
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The page is now up and running properly. The first image has had to be reduced is size, as my server will only allow 900KB jpeg files, nothing larger. So, I had to reduce it. The image quality is the same, but the text has suffered in the data box. Those of you who want the full version, email me, [email protected], and I will email it to you. Sunday afternoon I may upload a ZIP file of the larger version for download from the page.
The page is top secret, I am emailing the password to you all.
-Lance
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Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but has anyone considered what will happen when Paramount gets wind of this? For all we know, they're monitoring this thread, but just haven't done anything since it's been all talk so far. Once a CD gets out on the market, they may come down hard. David mentioned the hair-curling letter he got from Paramount legal. They wouldn't be happy about a CD-ROM. Paper books and blueprints weren't as much of a problem, but interactive media would raise a lot of hackles, from Simon & Schuster Interactive (sister company to Paramount) to Imergy to the various game makers, including Activision, Interplay and Raven Software. That's a lot of pressure from a lot of toes being stepped on.
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the Intrepid design would be vulnerable to a suit alleging infringement of trade dress. Trade dress is a form of trademark protection which deals with the total appearance of a product. So even if you don't say "Star Trek" on the packaging, it's still infringement because everybody knows it's Voyager in everything but name.
It will be easier for them to find David Schmidt now, too. He's already posted here, so his IP address is logged. One subpoena to his ISP and they might cave and reveal where he is.
Just raising some questions before everybody gets too involved in this.
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For the Record: As far as I am concerned, the project is for a free website. I'd like to be published - in fact, I'd love to be licensed (as a group). But I am not entering into a conspiracy with anyone to violate copyright for the purpose of commerce.
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Yeah, it's one thing to make an obvious copy and try to sell it for money. But a free copy is different. We don't make any money off it. They could sue us for all our 'earnings' but there wouldn't be any. The most they could do is force us to shut down the site. That woudl suck, but there would be no money problems. And who knows, maybe they'll like our work and decided to license it and sell it and make up that much richer.
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That's the conundrum isn't it? They (Paramount) publish "tech" stuff, or sanction tech stuff (their name is on it), like the Ent-D plans, or any of the cross section posters (I think their name is on it), or even the stuff in the ST-Magazine. But the stuff sucks the big one. I laughed when I saw the labels of "port shuttlebay" and "starboard shuttlebay" on the Reliant plans in the latest ST-Magazine. Thanks for that! I was confused there about what those were. (smirk). And the reversed numbers on the escape pods on the "D" prints, and the numbers made no sense anyway. C'mon, it's shabby work. But when there's quality work like Starship Dynamics or Dave's "A" prints, or Mike's Reliant prints, or this project, there's paranoia about getting sued by Paramount. How dare we create quality work!! If they were smart, they'd buy "us" out, like Mike, or Dave, and work out a deal for licensing if they are worried about other people making money off of their product. Obviously people want the good stuff, look at the response Dave has gotten. Alot of people are still trying to get old copies of Dynamics or "A" prints. They're protecting they're crap products, but might try to put an end to good quality products (shutting down sites, or sueing or whatever). Arrgg...
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Quick Bio... I have been away for a while, so some of you may not even remember me. =)
Name: Ryan McReynolds Age: 21
I was 6 when TNG premiered, and I watched nearly every episode in its first run. I can remember watching TOS reruns before then, with my dad. I got interested in tech fandom around age 14, I now have most of the major pieces of literature (Ships of the Star Fleet, Starfleet Dynamics, Star Trek Maps, and so on) though I lack some of the minor pieces. I started posting on rec.arts.startrek.tech at 16, and I'd like to think that by the time I left about a year ago I was one of the more knowledgeable people around there. I study physics recreationally, so I enjoy rationalizing Trek tech. I'm also a student of philosophy, particularly humanism. Scholastically, I've tried a few things... Studio Art, Aerospace Engineering, and now I'm undeclared... but when I return to school in the fall I think I'm going to go for English. Not because I'm lazy, but because I want to write. That about covers the high points. Oh, my favorite Trek is TOS by far, followed by DS9, with TNG third and Voyager fourth... though I confess to not having seen much Voyager since season four. My local station lost it's UPN affiliation last season, also.
Now, what EXACTLY are we WORKING on here? It looks like the Intrepid plans are pretty much completed. So where's our work, right?
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quote: *They never shut down the guy selling those Avenger-class blueprints... And he's been doing that for years.*
David had discussed doing this in CD-ROM format, and that was something potentially very dangerous. Doing printed material might tick off Simon & Schuster, but they're the only official licensee for books and related material. I already pointed out that a CD-ROM would tick off quite a few more companies, including the various companies that do CD-ROMs and games, which could bring a lot more complaints to Paramount, so they might have no choice but to act.
Don't delude yourself into thinking Paramount would want to license it just because "it's good." Paramount responds to one thing: money. To become an official licensee, you'll have to cough up over 5 figures. Maybe everyone involved in this can pool their money for the fee, but I'm not sure this project would ever make it back, especially since Voyager is the least popular of the shows and is coming to an end.
Maybe a free website might be safe. Paramount has shut down a few before, but it's hard to tell. Try to make money off it and you might get hit by a cease and desist order in no time.
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