I mailed Ed Miarecki go find out the names of the models pictured on his page. I have the strange feeling they didn't build them for 'Cause and Effect' but for 'Generations'. In the saucer-scene, we saw all those shuttles parked at the saucer, and the saucer itself was a physical model (at least the one they used for the crash-landing). So maybe he built those ships for Generations? (Why should he built 6 ships if he only uses 2 of them?)
"Cause and Effect" was filmed way before "Generations". And that saucer looks more like a matt painting to me, either that or they're using a funny lense.
[Edit:] The old shuttle's parking at the upper level, between the airtrams. And I just found another one, in front of the golden gate bridge, far left screen. A sideview. If they CGIed those shuttles, maybe someone can find out if they assigned a name.[/QUOTE]
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The saucer from Generations is a model. There's a picture of Greg Jein standing next to it, and it is very, very large (lots of detail!).
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I know the crash sequence used a bloody huge model (I have the makeing of tape) I'm just saying that the final shot with the saucer covered in shuttles looks a little strange, warped even.
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Reverend and Capt. Kyle, I'd love to see the 'caps of the mini-Sydneys from Generations with the Farragut's reg. I've never found one clear enough to read.
Thanks, -MMoM
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In the TOS shuttle entry, the journey in "Metamorphosis" need not have been an interstellar one. After all, our heroes were caught in an asteroid field, a typical interplanetary phenomenon. The journey *may* have included an interstellar hop as well, but that could have been performed by a starship which the shuttle was about to rendezvous with, once past those nasty asteroids - say, the starship that was lacking one captain at that time...
Ditto for Geordi's trip in "Mind's Eye" - the Enterprise could have dropped him off at the outer edge of the target system, much like they dropped off Picard and Crusher in "Samaritan Snare". Apparently, big starships just don't want to poke too deeply into some star systems...
In "The Search", the (imaginary) shuttle or shuttlepod flown by Sisko and Bashir need not have been of the same type as the shuttlepod of Odo and Kira. While the same interior is used, the Sisko/Bashir pod has an aft hatch, a feature that doesn't agree with the exterior of the type 18 pod. The Kira/Odo interior utilizes the more proper gullwing doors. Perhaps Sisko and Bashir were dreaming of flying the "Chaffee" model, or some kind of a "type 17" craft?
In "Resolutions", the shuttle given to Janeway and Chakotay is not shown. If this is indeed our only real reference to "type 9", then we could forget about any connections between that and the Sternbach speedboat, and continue calling the speedboat "class 2" or, if we want, "type 12". "Type 9" in that context could mean just about anything - including the Sternbach TNG TM design! (If the DF fits in, then so does the 9A!)
Which reminds me, have we EVER heard of any shuttle designated as "type" something, outside this "Resolutions" reference? Isn't it always "class" something, except in the books?
Also, the speedboat (type 9/12/class 2/whatever) is not solely an Intrepid-specific design, since we saw one at Jupiter in "Lifeline".
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There's the unknown type of shuttle in the Defiant's MSD -- it could be that which Timo mentions. I'm questioning the intended scale of the MSD at this point -- despite the people figures, it might be smaller, given the size of the hallways and the size of the bridge set.
The Type-18, contrary to what the DS9TM says, certainly has warp drive -- not only does Kira suggest that Odo should've taken them back to the wormhole, IIRC, but the episode "Destiny" confirms it in dialogue as well, where the warp drive is used to create the subspace field for moving the asteroid fragments off course.
We don't know anything about the minimum warp factor of the Type-18, but it need not be high -- after all, even Warp 1.1 can be a high speed, depending on plot requirements
I seriously doubt that the Chaffee (also called a "shuttlepod" in the dialogue) was installed from the very beginning, mostly because they would've used it -- in both situations where we've seen the shuttlepods, a good warp capability was a requirement. Besides, the Defiant model exterior just couldn't support the shuttlebay with the tractor emitter on top of the hatch. Sure, that old stock footage was used in "The Sound of Her Voice" as well, but since we haven't seen the flat hatch afterwards, the Chaffee is best explained as a one-off thing, a sort of a test as indicated in the DS9TM.
On the other hand, the producers probably built it since they'd need to CGI the old pods anyway, so why not improve on the design? The old pods were probably intended to resemble the earliest sketches of the Defiant, which we know wasn't completed when live-action footage of "The Search" was shot. I like the Chaffee better, but I don't know how the Defiant's armor with the tractor emitter could slide away to reveal the hatch. If a way can be found, why not? It would allow us to get rid of the two additional pod bays that were never seen onscreen, and create something more in line with the Defiant's nature.
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Ed did build that army of Type-6 shuttles for "Cause and Effect" along with the portion of the Main Shuttlebay. I don't know why he built that many but who knows if he gave them out as gifts to his bosses. As for the ending of "Generations," it seems that the saucer and the minature people were physical models while the shuttles were CGI. I don't think that the Sydney Class was reverted back into the Executive Shuttle just for the movie.
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Those look like physical models. 4 Type 6 shuttles. Are you sure the ones from Miarecki's page weren't used for the movie? Furthermore, I think it's more difficult to create a new CGI of the exec shuttle that just take the old ship and change the color and remove the engines. And if the exec was CGI, they had done the type 6 and type 7, too. But both were already existing models.
And Mim, if I find the pictures (they were not really that good, but we were able to read the Farragut's NCC - or at least parts of it) I'll send them to you or post them. Depending on my mood.
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NCC-60591. That's the Farragut's registry. And here are the pictures (exec1-3 are close-ups, execs shows the two ships from the large image).
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: the saucer
Those look like physical models. 4 Type 6 shuttles. Are you sure the ones from Miarecki's page weren't used for the movie? Furthermore, I think it's more difficult to create a new CGI of the exec shuttle that just take the old ship and change the color and remove the engines. And if the exec was CGI, they had done the type 6 and type 7, too. But both were already existing models.
I'm afraid that the exec model couldn't have been restored, if you look at the Jenolan you'll see that there are significant changes to the structure plus that model was later changed to the U.S.S. Nash with its dumb arse Jenolan ripoff reggo.
However, it is possible that more than one exec model was made for ST:VI, and that only one of them was Sydney-ised while the other(s) remained intact and was later repainted for "Generations".
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