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Bernd: There's also the shuttle at Starbase 74 in "1110011010" or whatever. I saw an episode of "Reading Rainbow" in which Levar Burton was interviewing Rob Legato about his miniature work. Rob had models of the Aldean planetary cloaking device, and another model of this shuttle. He made the nacelles from disposable razors, with the bladed end cut off. Unfortunately, although you could see the model very well, the actual shot of the ship in TNG is too small to make out any details.
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Phelps: You're quite likely right about the Defiant MSD being for 69m - back in the good old days I used to take it as granted. Of course, there's no way the ship could still be that small after all we've seen (especially the dreaded main shuttlebay).
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--The guy's name was Sam Freedle. --There's 440 lifeboats on the Galaxy-class. Believe me, I've inked tiny little numbers on the model hatches enough times to know. That gives a total evac capacity of 1760, so the full crew plus 748, which is about 74% of the full crew.
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quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: Oh Great and Mighty Bernd,
Where are the TMP shuttles? We saw them in the Enterprise shuttlebay, even in the old edition of TMP. G2k
Actually, they weren't in the film. They were in Andy Probert's layout painting, which has been reproduced in various places, but the shuttle was never in the final mattes.
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A couple of changes are online since last night. Thanks for your comments. I have also included some obscure numbers of shuttles which are still a bit uncertain. Maybe I will remove them again when it turns out they were not visible.
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I thought there was a shuttle visible in the bay when Scotty and Kirk toured the ship. The hangar was definitely open and you could see something inside. I just saw TMP at the cinema two weeks ago.
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Oh, you mean when they fly past the ship in that inspection pod? Yeah, when they go past the hangar doors from the outside, there is one workbee visible there. We see it again when the footage is reused in ST2.
But none of those Probert-designed smaller variants of the Vulcan courier are seen. Those are only visible in the interior matte painting that wasn't used in the final edit.
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On a different not, the Pontiac was visible in the episode. I remember checking it when I first read it in the TNGTM. I have to check the episode again, but I think it was a Type 15.
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quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: I thought there was a shuttle visible in the bay when Scotty and Kirk toured the ship. The hangar was definitely open and you could see something inside. I just saw TMP at the cinema two weeks ago.
I just watched my old pan-and-scan copy of the original TMP.
In that version, the shot is fixed primarily on the cargo bay area, so I guess I just assumed that the often-shown matte painting (seen in books like "Art of Star Trek" and "Mr. Scott's Guide . . . ") was actually showing the rest of the shot.
Crap. :-)
There *is* a workbee in the shuttlebay. I thought there might be something larger behind it in the almost aft-on shot from the travel pod, but it's hard to tell on my wee-tee-vee.
This would serve to explain that idea everyone has always had (which perplexed me) about how the Surak was a Vulcan design . . . I always assumed it was just a regular Starfleet shuttlecraft with a regular Starfleet warp sled, one that just happened to be registered to some Vulcan authority.
Actually, though, given the fact that the docking port on the back matches the docking port on the travel pod precisely, and given that the warp drive technology appears to be decidedly non-Vulcan (i.e. not ring-warp, and using the "louvered-looking" engines a la the Enterprise in TMP), and given that the Enterprise had to have been in possession of something more than workbees, one could try to make the argument that what has commonly been thought of as a TMP shuttle (at least by me) *is* a TMP shuttle.
Hmmm . . . wonder if it's in the director's edition anywhere?
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quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: This would serve to explain that idea everyone has always had (which perplexed me) about how the Surak was a Vulcan design . . . I always assumed it was just a regular Starfleet shuttlecraft with a regular Starfleet warp sled, one that just happened to be registered to some Vulcan authority.
Actually, though, given the fact that the docking port on the back matches the docking port on the travel pod precisely, and given that the warp drive technology appears to be decidedly non-Vulcan (i.e. not ring-warp, and using the "louvered-looking" engines a la the Enterprise in TMP), and given that the Enterprise had to have been in possession of something more than workbees, one could try to make the argument that what has commonly been thought of as a TMP shuttle (at least by me) *is* a TMP shuttle.
Hmmm . . . wonder if it's in the director's edition anywhere?
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Maybe it was a vulcan ship and 1701 did not have any shuttle in TMP. I mean - look at the matte painting. the bee alcoves are emty, no shuttle in the hangar bay area, no shuttle in the reapir dock below. They said the ship was not yat ready after the refit. This could mean the shuttles were not available at that time. (Maybe Tuesday? )
I have no problem with the Surak being a vulcan design. They started with the ship from Vulcan, and according to - what? TNG? - the Vulcans had their own star navy or whatever they call it. The merchant fleet. The T'Pau had an NSP-registry but was labeled S.S., what could mean the Surak was same type of vessel (of course only the category, not the class!). (On the other hand, 'class': If the T'Pau was an Apollo-class ship - I hate this - and it was the same Apollo-class Starfleet uses - despite the Gage-theory - the Surak could have been an old Starfleet design, just like the T'Pau. I have seen close-ups of the model, the hull markings were both vulcan and federation standard => english.)
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I think a shuttle was mentioned in the ST:TMP comm-chatter. Lakia, IIRC.
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^^^^
Maybe Laika?
(Do we have a complete list of ships mentioned in the SE's comm chatter?)
I checked the episode again, 'In Theory'. Picard says 'Shuttle 3', that's all. We get a view of the exterior. First shot it looks as if the 'Pontiac'-thing could be possible, but there's another close-up and the name seems to be too short. Maybe 'Pike'. Obviously, we have to wait for the DVD.
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