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oop, thanks for pointing it out, I was in a rush to put them up and didn't notice the BMP.
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I was looking at some screen captures I made of some displays from TMP and TWOK and I think I'm going to take some of the images and try to line them up and make a sort of MSD for the refit Enterprise, because between all the digramns you can actually see on-screen evidence of deck numbers and the extact paths of the turboshafts. I'm going to go back to the pan and scan laserdiscs I have for some of the material because the images are larger there.
A couple of off-hand observations:
1. The two turbolifts off the bridge are shown to connect to two parallel shafts, which have matching parallel horizontal shafts going straight aft to the dorsal, from which only the portside shaft appears to go down.
2. The decks seem mostly consistent with Andy's cutaway, albeit there's a possible discrepancy just above the torpedo deck that might jive with Shane Thomas' drawings, but I'm trying to make sure.
I'll post some images in a few days when I get them cleaned up.
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: My cut-a-way project web page has four related pics, mostly things that friends provided and the one above. The Q & R deck blueprint is fan made and should provide some interesting comment. Cut-a-way project
Woulda been nice to have asked me for permission to reproduce my annotated drawing...
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My bad, your right. I put that there so that I could access it at work, as well as at home, not so much for public access. When I get to work on the actual model, those pics will replace it. I will remove that as soon as I get home. My apologies.
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I was just looking at the edge of the saucer hull and it seems to me that a single deck would be more logical, matching the main hatch, as in THIS PICTURE and the two-level windows are more decorative, then suggesting two decks, as in THIS CUTTAWAY
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: I was just looking at the edge of the saucer hull and it seems to me that a single deck would be more logical, matching the main hatch, as in THIS PICTURE and the two-level windows are more decorative, then suggesting two decks, as in THIS CUTTAWAY
Looking at TMP in the Rec Deck scene, there were obviously two decks in the saucer edge. The 8 Rec Deck windows, also visible on the model, are evident in the scene. There's no way the saucer can only be 1 level high at the edge decks. The Main Gangway Hatch on the portside probably has ramps or stairs to decks 6 and 7 once you're through the hatch.
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Hmm, yes... I've been trying to look for bridge graphics that show decks.
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: Hmm, yes... I've been trying to look for bridge graphics that show decks.
Well, there is the red alert graphic seen in TWOK that shows the decks flashing on. I have it, but I';m in the midst of cleaning it up.
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I looked at it closely, and here are my conclusions: --There ARE two decks at the outer rim of the saucer, the lower of which is deck 7 --The dorsal appears to have one extra deck that doesn't match Andy Probert's cutaway...but that "deck" isn't shown flashing in this sequence --The aft third of the torpedo deck is in the "dark color" that seems to indicate an unihabited area --The layout of the cargo deck and hangar deck conform to Andy's cutaway, except that the bay isn't as tall as it in shown in the film...I presume because this animation was done before the cargo bay matte was designed --If one takes this as accurate, the ship has 21 decks total
Although this animation was shown in TWOK, it was actually made for TMP, and appears in one of the TV spots for the film.
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wow, that's nice! I wish we had access to the original, to tell what the text is.
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: wow, that's nice! I wish we had access to the original, to tell what the text is.
There's a real good chance that the 'text' like many of the display graphics show rows of strings of numbers.
That's a really cool gif made from that scene though.
Well, I looked at the same animation on one of the TMP trailers and each line confroms to a deck entry. Im not 100% sure every letter below is correct, but this is what the 2nd column reads like in the last frame I could make out:
Here's a cleaned up version of the image with the deck lines drawn in. Since the deck labels flash on along with the deck that lights up, it was easy to see what deck was what. Here is the result...and as canonical as you can get to the number of decks in the refit and their position.
That Deck 4 is the one just above the broadest deck in the saucer is also confirmed by the "Intruder Alert" diagram made for TMP and which also appears in TWOK, which identifies the deck as 4.
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