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I'd still say that the final analysis of the red alert diagram fails to show Deck 1... The uppermost lit level would be the level *below* the bridge, and possibly because the diagram was being flashed ON the bridge!
quote:Originally posted by Timo: I'd still say that the final analysis of the red alert diagram fails to show Deck 1... The uppermost lit level would be the level *below* the bridge, and possibly because the diagram was being flashed ON the bridge!
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No, because the BRIDGE flashes when the DECK 01 label comes on. There is no room for a deck above that. Don't make me make a big ol animated GIF to prove you wrong.
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I'm still working on this...but here's a crude in-progress image of the refit's turbolift system, as seen in the turbolift in TMP. You can see the twin parallel turboshafts that link to the twin turbos on the bridge.
This is a tough image to work out because in the top view it's not always apparent what is on what deck. I made a number of captures from the film and am still tying to correlate them.
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That is the same artwork I worked from originally. I had to do some minor adaptations, but found that the layout did actually work fairly well (such as with the rec deck).
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That's wonky. I'd expect some sort of "quadrantal symmetry" in the saucer.
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I dunno, we know that there are a number of compartments in the primary hull that are not symetrical, such as the reck deck and the medical bay, so that diagram was probobly made to reflect a realistic working plan, ever a symetrical one. I don't have my old FJ blueprints any more, but I assumed that the turbo lift chart was taken from that, but things like the cargo bay turbo lifts would probobly not be like that in the TOS plan.
I'm eating these graphics up, for my cut-a-way model, I would love to see any more. I've started taking vidcaps from TMP, but I need to buy the other movies too.
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Spike's is backup, it has a great collection of internal images and graphics.
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: I don't have my old FJ blueprints any more, but I assumed that the turbo lift chart was taken from that, but things like the cargo bay turbo lifts would probobly not be like that in the TOS plan.
I checked the FJ blueprints...no real correlation. The artists on the film probably did it. Maybe Lee Cole or Mike Minor.
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The twin parallel shafts from the bridge to the aft rim of the saucer are an awkward solution if they are on the same deck. What could possibly lie between them?
If, OTOH, one of those shafts is on the lower saucer deck and one on the upper, then this is a case of sensible redundancy for that all-important connection between bridge and main engineering. In general, what looks like continuous shaftage in the top view should probably rather be interpreted as overlaid images of shafts on two deck. This allows for sensible corridor connections that aren't blocked by too many radial or circumferential turboshafts.
This was something the E-D blueprints got very right... Those, and many fan prints for TOS-era ships, too. But not all of them.
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I uploaded some vidcaps and links of the Enterprise-A shuttlebay, on my Cut-a-way model project site. I haven't seen this stuff anywhere else, it shows the set and studio model pretty well.
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Yup, the Enterprise-A shuttle bay is a little different from the TMP shuttle bay. Those two big doors go to elevators, with a turbo-lift between them. Follow the link to my web page (above) to see it better. One could argue that the shuttle bay wasn't completed when the V'Ger emergancy came up, for easy cargo bay access.
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I still see the same bay. Those doors, if similar to the TMP area would lead to large shuttle elevators labeled E-1 and E-2. Beyond those doors in the above photo would then lead to the large cargobay complex.
Does Shuttle 5 in the above pic have the landing skids or am I just (not) seeing things???
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