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Well, Spike showed that model was indeed labeled with NCC-59318 in "The Drumhead." But then they relabeled it later as the Yosemite.
What I'd like to know is how the ship from "Emissary" got to be called Cochrane. It wasn't in dialogue was it? I don't think it was in the script, either. My bet is that Okuda simply forgot that the model was relabelled again, and since he thought Cochrane labels were the last ones, he just reasoned that the ship in "Emissary" was the Cochrane.
Any chance of those caps, please? For my shiplist? (Which is soon to be updated!!!)
I don't really care if you can't see the registry, the only reason I thought so was due to the fact that the old SWDAO said it was visible in one shot:
quote:According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia (both editions), the USS Cochrane was the ship that transported Julian Bashir and Jadzia Dax to DS9 in "Emissary." However, when the tail end of the ship is seen in that episode, the registry appears to be NCC-19002, that of the USS Yosemite.
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That's one biiiig fucking Oberth in that shot. 300 meters?
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Thanks for those, Spikey. You've been my most extensive and reliable source for screencaps from the beginning. And just to show my overwhelming appreciation for your contributions...
...I'll be starting a new thread soon with a bunch more requests!
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I gotta ask, what is that bottom pontoon below the Obert's saucer filled with? It can't be living quarters, as the pylons are too thin to have turbolifts. I think I saw one image of the Oberth where the bottom thing was exchanged for a torp launcher.
Wouldn't it be nice to just rip off the bottom thing and the pylons? It would turn into one swift little racer, like a courier ship or small patrol ship.
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Some MSD's have the Oberth's pod thing with quarters and some with only sensor equipment (I agree with the sensors only version). The variant with the Miranda torpedo pod underslung is the "Orca" version and there was once an excellent vaccuform model made of it. I've got pics somewhere if you want them.
quote:Wouldn't it be nice to just rip off the bottom thing and the pylons? It would turn into one swift little racer, like a courier ship or small patrol ship.
I made it after watching that TNG episode where the klingon ambassador was fired off in a freakin' torpedo casing to meet the Enterprise. Such a stupid idea.
So the Owens class is a diplomatic transport vessel with two extra nacelles to allow for longer cruise times at high warp. My model could use some work but it's only 1.5" long...
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The Owens class was nice, but I'm thinking nothing on the underside.
I once heard there had been plans to make the 1701 saucer detachable via exploding bolts already in "TMP", but it was scrapped due to budget reasons. So what if the Oberth could just release its pylons and bottom part, go through some software/hardware refits for a few hours in the bridge and engineering, then speed away, in some kind of emergency situation, like it's the only ship close to a interstellar accident or military incident and has to report back to Earth ASAP or go investigate, leaving the bottom thing and sluggishness behind.
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Hmmmm...mabye they detach the pod in orbit around some intresting planet for weeks or months ata time to record phenomena or development and return for it later or some specialized starship retieves them.
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AFAIK, Starfleet Dynamics calls the torp-podded Oberth top "Asmodeus class" and the four-nacelled courier "Clarke class"...
If we don't want to believe in 300m Oberths, we can say the Cochrane hadn't finished docking when the camera moved away in "Emissary". We just failed to witness the portside-first docking maneuver that moved the ship significantly away from the camera and spanned the multi-hundred-meter gap between her and the docking pylon. The rest of the perspective illusion would then be due to the lens choice...
One wonders what class of ship the Saratoga was intended to be when the sets were built. The Miranda-mod smacks of a last-minute money-saver - perhaps a dedicated design was originally planned, one matching those windows or structural girders?
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You mean a Year 236?-ship previously unseen?
Is there something peculiar about the windows and structural girders that makes you feel it was supposed to be an unorthodox ship, Timo?
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The kink in the beams *is* kinda weird... We've never seen a ship with that sort of an outer shape. Starfleet saucers generally have vertical rims, or then rims angled like the TOS ship's, or perhaps the curved rim of the Oberth. No ship so far has this kinked shape, neither for windows nor for hull plating. If one made a 1:8 size Galaxy kitbash, then perhaps - but the 1:2 kitbashes still have at least one deck's worth of vertical wall for the rim.
In the absence of suitable exterior designs, I'd say the Saratoga was simply squashed and bent. What we see is a section of wall with all the paneling ripped off and with even the insanely strong structural skeleton bent out of shape...
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Well, technically, only the windows would need to have that shape. The hull around them could still be flat, you'd just have windows popping out past the plane of the hull.
But, the only barrier between you and the void of space is probably not the best place to see how funky or flimsy you can get with interior design.
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I think that considering that the corridor outside Sisko's quarters on the Saratoga was straight, that the quarters were probably somewhere in that upper/rear section with all the forward-facing windows. I know that's not an option many people considered before (and doesn't fit with general Starfleet layout of starships and the location of their quarters), but it seems the most logical to me.
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