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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: But between her and Selar, those two have like ten minutes of screen time. T'Pol, Saavik, oldvulcanambassadorchick, and anyone with more than a dozen lines tend to be pretty emotional, that's true.
Of course, women on TNG and Enterprise tend to study acting at the "Calculon School for ACTING!!!"
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i suggest you guys read "The Pandora Principle" by Carolyn Clowes.. its one of the 80s novels, designed to help bridge the gap between TMP and TWOK, and also give the backstory on Saavik.
although the novel isnt canon, i find it to be one of the better installments Pocket Books has to offer of their hundreds of shittier titles, this novel actually 'feels' like the movie Trek universe. many sources have abided by the story of Saavik's early life presented in this book, including two separate stories from rival comic publishers DC and Marvel.
btw, without spoilers, if you dont feel like reading, Saavik is the product of the rape of a captured Vulcan scientist by a Romulan soldier at an abandoned colony. (this occurred before Balance of Terror) Spock helped to educate saavik in the vulcan way of life before she became a ward of boarding schools and the Academy. the book occurs when she is a freshman, and is the point when Nogurafinally weasels Kirk off the bridge and into the desk position he holds at the openng of TWOK [/QUOTE]
Interesting. Thanks for the tip.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: And she was a million years old.
Actually, she (Celia Lovsky) was probably 68 when Amok Time was filmed, being that she was born in 1897 (!). She was Austrian, which explains the accent. She appreared in a lot of TV series, and also had parts in Soylent Green (as the Exchange Leader), "The Last Time I Saw Paris" (with Liz Taylor), etc.
Oddly enough, she was at one time married to Peter Lorre!
Oh, and to put this back on topic, she never appeared in "Emmisary".
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quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: They're making our food out of people!
[ChuckHeston]"Soylent Green is people!!!" [/ChuckHeston]
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Crew counts: Lantree - 26 Br!ttain - 34
My general theory is that Mirandas these days take only about 20 people to run the thing. Older ships, or ships on non-frontline missions, are heavily automated and have a selection of mission specialists in addition to the basic crew: a half dozen cargo specialists on the Lantree, or a bunch of scientists on the Br!ttain.
Saratoga, as a specialized ship (or whatever those pods are for) would probably be carrying that same core crew, plus whatever specialists, and then for whatever reason their families. Say, for example, that Saratoga could've been a surveyor on a long-term non-combat mission through mostly explored or Federeation space. Given that we saw only 3-4 escape pods leave the ship (up to ~20 people each, no?), I'm thinking her total crew including civvies would be no more than 100.
Various "combat Mirandas" seen during the war (with or without the questionable addition of impulse engines aft) would likely have no more than 50 aboard, given the probable level of automation. Slap a tactical and damage control crew in there, and you'll have a conteporary of the Defiant. I'm most convinced of that shot in "SoA" with Defiant, Sitak and Majestic flying in formation - just doesn't seem right that the two other ships would still have 200+ people aboard.
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I was able to finally see Emissary again last night and I was paying particular attention to the whole Saratoga scene. My first observation is that there was a whole helluva lot of civilians on that ship. Sisko easily could have tripped over 20 of them on the deck he was looking for Jennifer on! I can't imagine that the civilian to SF ratio on that ship is in favor of the civilians, then again...
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I was under the impression that Sisko and his tac officer were heading to the crew or family areas, and even more likely to the designated shelters (cf. "Night Terrors"). During alert conditions, assuming the families or civvie specialist crews weren't part of the damage control teams, they oughta be huddled in separate areas and staying out of the way. Indeed, if the civilians were trained for combat, they probably wouldn't need help to get to the escape pods as Sisko suggested.
Sisko was likely tripping over them because the order to evacuate had been given, and everyone was heading to the escape pods - we see so many of them because that's all there were aboard, and they were all sticking together. Now, if they had been going through engineering and tons of civvies were running by, THEN I'd be suspicious.
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Civillians might have been clustered into a common area (wit better SIF and shielding), explaining why they were all together, why Jake and Jennifr were in the same room and why the windows buckled out but didint break.
This common area might be cloe to the escape pods as well.
By the way.....
Soylant Lovsky is made of PEOPLE!!!! PEOPLE!!!!
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Works for me: they knew the Borg were baaaad news but (I guess) didint have time to drop off the civvies someplace safe before intercepting the cube.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Civillians might have been clustered into a common area (wit better SIF and shielding), explaining why they were all together, why Jake and Jennifr were in the same room and why the windows buckled out but didint break.
Soylant Lovsky is made of PEOPLE!!!! PEOPLE!!!!
LOL!
The thing is - they don't SEEM to be windows... we've never seen floor to ceiling windows on ANY starship - only that room on the Starbase where Rand is watching the Enterprise returning in ST:III. Not even Ten-Foward has huge windows like that.
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Well its always possible, and maybe even obvious, that the Miranda was not intended to be used/made/modified until the last minute and therefore the window scheme was never intended for that model of ship...
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Really... didn't the room where Decker was showing off past Enterprises to the Probe have large windows? Or the one where Kirk and Bones are having a discussion about [and kinda with] Spock about Kolinhar? Or do I just have a bad memory.
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