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Hokay, so Archer's got the mojo of Vulcan's founding father stuck in his noodle. What else do we get to see tonight?
-Vulcans firing on Enterprise firing on Vulcans! The infamous D'Kyr is back again (with friends - wait for it, we'll be talking about this afterwards), but I only wish the older ships would appear again. So many of us liked 'em, there was nothing wrong with 'em, and yet they're no longer around and without explanation.
-The Enterprise shuttles get an upgrade - this is a fun one too. Waggle those fins!
-More fun with katras, and name dropping of everything Vulcan we've ever heard. The Forge is a little bit more used later on, but I'm hoping we'll see more of WHY they put the seat of Vulcan philosophy in the middle of a hellish wasteland.
-Hey, where did Spock undergo his heat in "Amok Time"? It's not in the Forge, is it? In ST3, Kirk and crew LAND their stolen Bird of Prey... Is it because transporting wouldn't make much sense? And if it didn't, then what was powering Spock's speak 'n' spell quiz machines in ST4?
-Touching upon T'pol's P'nar syndrome, which hasn't been mentioned since she got it. Will she be cured? Rumour is that it's going to be at least mentioned.
-While this probably belongs back in the previous episode review, you'd think that Archer would have brought an actual GUN with him, if energy weapons don't work. If he'd had a .303, the part with the Vulcan teddy bear would have been a lot shorter...
"Touching upon T'pol's P'nar syndrome, which hasn't been mentioned since she got it. Will she be cured? Rumour is that it's going to be at least mentioned."
If they did mention it, I didn't catch it.
T'Pau's attempted fal-tor-pan on Archer failed (she said that Surak had chosen to remain in Archer), so I guess we don't yet have a contradiction of the claim in ST3 that it had only been performed in "ages past" in legend. Of course, it could be that she just didn't hear about it. Because, presumably, they'll get Surak out of Archer's head eventually.
Was it just me, or was T'Pol's mother's death just... gratuitous pathos?
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- The Vulcan patrol craft reminded me of Flash Gordon.
- Was this the first time we saw the effect of an orbital bombardment with photon(ic) torpedoes?
- The war prior to the Awakening was a nuclear war. Surak suffers from radiation sickness, and we see several mushroom clouds in the background.
- Administrator V'Las is planning an all-out war with Andoria. Despite the fact that Andor and Vulcan signed a formal peace treaty two years ago (did we see that happen? Trip does mention that Archer helped in negotations). The way Soval explained that V'Las wants interstellar war made it sound almost like V'Las could be a Romulan...
- The other Vulcan ministers are unhappy with V'Las' actions, but are not actually stopping him.
- We get more juicy closeups of the Vulcan city. Presumably, this could be ShirKahr, if it's the capital. It has a Star Wars look to it.
- It struck me that we haven't seen a single black Vulcan yet. Did we ever see one besides Tuvok?
- NX-01 fought with a D'Kyr and two smaller craft. These looked suspiciously like the Vahklas, although I seem to remember that the Vahklas was of an outdated design.
- Starfleet is now headed by an Admiral Gardner. We don't see him.
- It was funny seeing T'Pol and T'Pau together. In a way, T'Pau could have ended up on Enterprise
- Wow. This episode had some heavy T'Pol moments. T'Pol really needs a good long vacation, or a proper kolinahr. I really wanted her to just completely break down and release all that stress. Life's not easy on her, it seems.
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Well, the vulcan patrol ships looks like a reuse of the old vulcan survey ship from the episode with T'Pols grandmother(?) and Earth in the 1950:s
The other ship was also a reuse, of Vahklas, as you say Harry. Also, the shuttle in the city, standard vulcan shuttle, seen before
Damn, all that reuse, why not the combat cruiser!
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: - Administrator V'Las is planning an all-out war with Andoria. Despite the fact that Andor and Vulcan signed a formal peace treaty two years ago (did we see that happen? Trip does mention that Archer helped in negotations). The way Soval explained that V'Las wants interstellar war made it sound almost like V'Las could be a Romulan...
I think that he was referring to "Shadows of P'Jem" - in which Soval participated at, so I'm not sure why Tucker had to remind him of it.
And I agree, I was thinking that all along that V'Las seemed very Romulan. In fact, Robert Foxworth seems to be somewaht type-cast as that sort of character...by that I'm thinking back to his role as Admiral Leyton.
quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: Well, the vulcan patrol ships looks like a reuse of the old vulcan survey ship from the episode with T'Pols grandmother(?) and Earth in the 1950:s
quote:Originally posted by Harry: - NX-01 fought with a D'Kyr and two smaller craft. These looked suspiciously like the Vahklas, although I seem to remember that the Vahklas was of an outdated design.
As were Excelsiors, Mirandas and Ktingas. If its sound technology, I say go with it.
...next week we get to see Andor.
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Admiral Gardner? Say wasn't it Captain Gardner that the Vulcans wanted to Command the Enterprise originally? The same fella that Archer, Robinson and Duval played with in the NX program? He musta kissed butt and got a promotion instead of an NX
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quote:Originally posted by DoughBoy05: Admiral Gardner? Say wasn't it Captain Gardner that the Vulcans wanted to Command the Enterprise originally? The same fella that Archer, Robinson and Duval played with in the NX program? He musta kissed butt and got a promotion instead of an NX
No, Gardner was in the NX-Test Program, as well as Duvall, Robinson and Archer, no mention of his rank was mentioned at that time (meaning he could have already been a Captain or Commodore at that time). He was in the running for the first flight - not for the command of Enterprise, that was just Archer and Robinson (i think).
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: - It struck me that we haven't seen a single black Vulcan yet. Did we ever see one besides Tuvok?
His wife was black, I believe. (Because even though these are aliens and Star Trek is a show where prejudice has no place, we apparently still can't have black people married to white people.)
There were at least two black Romulans, if that helps.
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Did Enterprise really fire from her formation lights? I remember her firing from points near the deflector, but those are where phase cannon hatches are.
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Voyager really stuffed it when it came to Tuvok - Tim Russ played a VERY good Vulcan - he had many of Spock's mannerisms down-pat etc. I enjoyed when they started to look at Tuvok's past - but as soon as they started doing the right things with the character - they stopped.
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