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I understand it doesn't need to be ShirKahr. But I seemed to remember some vague allusions to it being a capital. I believe it may have been mentioned in some book or fansite, in relation to the USS ShirKahr. But never mind that.
So, my next uneducated guess would be Vulcana Regar. Mentioned way back in TNG, and in "Fallen Hero" as the site of a treaty conference. In a typical pig-Latin Romulan sort of way, it sounds like something 'regal'. It could be the name of the capital city.
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From what I remember reading, ShirKahr was alluded to either Spock's hometown or the Vulcan capital... the latter of which I think wasn't set in stone even in TAS.
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I believe the only times the city has been referenced on screen (amusingly, in three different spellings) are as follows:
"Yesteryear" (AA) Spock's hometown, Shikahr, near the Forge.
"Tears of the Prophets" (DS9) A Miranda-class starship, the U.S.S. ShirKahr, was destroyed at the Battle of Chin'toka.
"Fusion" (ENT) Tolaris taught literature at the Shirkar Academy before giving that life up to wander the galaxy aboard the Vahklas.
I really don't see anything in any of that to indicate a palce of any particular political significance, except for perhaps the fact that Ambassador Sarek and his family lived there.
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Kirk commented in "Amok Time" something along the lines of all of Vulcan being in or being represented in T'Pau. Takes on a new light if she ends up with Surak's Katra.
I was thinking the same thing about the Fal Tor Pan. The "re-fusion" hasn't been done in ages. I think the transferring of Katras must be a different term.
Frankfort, the capital of Kentucky, is not the largest city in that state. It could be conceivable that Shi(r)Kar is the capital and a smaller city.
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quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Kirk commented in "Amok Time" something along the lines of all of Vulcan being in or being represented in T'Pau. Takes on a new light if she ends up with Surak's Katra.
He called her "all of Vulcan in one package," which I interpreted to mean an exceptional example of her species. And yeah, that would be cool. Besides, I'd rather not have Archer hold onto it too long, for fear that we'd go down the Sisko/Emissary road again...
quote:Frankfort, the capital of Kentucky, is not the largest city in that state. It could be conceivable that Shi(r)Kar is the capital and a smaller city.
Yes, it's conceivable, but my point was that no particular significance has ever been attached to it other than its being Spock's home town. (OTOH, a SF ship was named after it, but we all know the reason for this is that it was an in-joke.) Besides, we *saw* what was presumably the capital in this episode, and it didn't look like ShirKahr. (In fact, it seemed like it was considerable distance from the Forge. Not sure what really indicates this, but the editing suggested it to me. I certainly didn't feel like the action was going on just over the hill from V'Las's office.)
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Okay, IT'S A BIG CITY. Why does it matter if it is a capital or not? I mean aside for a reason to pull out the pissing trough for a pissing contest, which for some, involves the use of a soapbox to participate.
And for that matter, who is to say its not, you know, a regional capital - like London or Cairo, if it indeed needs to be a capital?
And finally, no one said starships had to be named after capital cities either. *cough*Portland*cough*Sao Paulo*cough*
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Haha. Look, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm certainly not in any pissing contest. I was originally just replying to Harry's initial comment:
quote:Originally posted by Harry: - We get more juicy closeups of the Vulcan city. Presumably, this could be ShirKahr, if it's the capital. It has a Star Wars look to it.
I just wanted to point out that there's no evidence or even implication of ShirKahr being the capital, so that nobody got confused. (There's probably a lot of people who haven't even seen "Yesteryear" and have heard fandom speculation on Vulcan and whatever else that could lead them to make erroneous connection between things.)
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"At least, one would think that it would be called something other than a 're-fusion.'"
Who says it isn't? Maybe fal-tor-pan is Vulcan for "wetware download" (assuming ancient Vulcan was ruled by cyberpunk authors). I mean, they've never actually translated it onscreen, as far as I know, so it could mean anything.
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: - It struck me that we haven't seen a single black Vulcan yet. Did we ever see one besides Tuvok?
His wife was black, I believe. (Because even though these are aliens and Star Trek is a show where prejudice has no place, we apparently still can't have black people married to white people.)
There were at least two black Romulans, if that helps.
I just noticed that there was an Asian-esque Vulcan in TSFS.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: But T'Pau has the wrong accent...
"Aartt thee huuman or aart thee vuwlcaan!?!"
Also, T'Lar (the Katra transfer lady from TSFS) talked the same way...it must be the mark of a priestess...or whatever she is.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: And for that matter, who is to say its not, you know, a regional capital - like London or Cairo, if it indeed needs to be a capital?
London is just a regional capital now?
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