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I haven't watched regular TV in almost three years. I just recently after moving out of the barracks, got digital cable. So when IaMD came on, it was the first ST ENT I have watched since the first season. So between that and Friday, all I have watched was TNG. DS9 and VOY. Needless to say that episode ranks among the best of Trek IMO.
What I love was the beginning with Cochrane and the credits. I can't wait to see the old Connie kick some ass next week. It'll be the first time we have seen the Connie fire her weapons (also with updated SPX) since the 60's.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: -They engage everything but aux power to cloak Enterprise. This further solidifies the horrid DS9 episode "The Emperor's New Cloak" as part of ANOTHER MU, really.
I'd much rather just believe that "The Emperor's New Cloak" was nothing more than some mass-hallucination-slash-nightmare and never actually happened. ::shudder::
EDIT: It's also occurred to me that, based on the events of "Shockwave, Part I", it always seemed to me that even the Suliban weren't able to fire when they were cloaked. But who knows...
Re: First Contact and the Vulcan "invasion"...
Sure, I'd agree it's just as likely that the idea of the Vulcans having an army ready to invade Earth was quite probably propaganda... but I still firmly believe that Cochrane's decision to pull a gun on the Vulcans and shoot them can't possibly have been the initial point of divergence between our universe and the mirror universe.
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Well, if our universe is the mirror universe, then the point of divergence must be earlier since Trek's late 20th century doesn't match ours.
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Sure, I'd agree it's just as likely that the idea of the Vulcans having an army ready to invade Earth was quite probably propaganda... but I still firmly believe that Cochrane's decision to pull a gun on the Vulcans and shoot them can't possibly have been the initial point of divergence between our universe and the mirror universe.
Like I mentioned before, the moon landing with a Terran Empire flag seems to imply divergence at the very least a century back from Cochrane's decision to blow away Spock's grandpappy Solkar. As for the possibility of a 'Vulcan Invasion Force', T'Pol certainly did not deny it when Archer brought up the subject...
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Cochrane's shotgunning might not've been the initial point of divergence, but I'd bet it was close.
1. No Lily Sloane . . . where was she? Of course in the non-MU timeline she was over beside the bar with the TNG crew, but that obviously didn't happen here. If something had happened to her, we might have another reason for Cochrane's poor diplomacy.
2. Is any of the damage to the town from the Borg attack visible? If so, then the Borg attack did indeed take place. If not, then it did not occur in this timeline, and hence the point of divergence must've been prior to that point on the timeline.
3. In the book Federation, there's something called the Optimum Movement or something . . . your standard world-domination badguys that Cochrane's warp ship helps defeat in a sort of progress-over-evil sort of thing.
It's possible that the moon landing was executed by a group such as this, a United Terra group which was taking over the post-WW3 world. Instead of the liberation that comes from progress, however, the Cochrane group sold out or was taken over by the United Terra government.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: -The Defiant doesn't look damaged in the monitor photo. There's a Tholian webslinger in front of the saucer, and what could be its shadow.
Ah, good. Just saved me from fast-forwarding thru the tape to check. I need to savor it all again at regular speed.
quote: -The female uniforms were ridiculous as expected, but... Screw it. HOSHI IS HOT.
Well said, sir. Well said.
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Cochrane may not have been the number one most noble guy on the planet, but, in FC, he didn't seem like the sort of guy who, upon seeing aliens for the first time, would pretend to be friendly, then whip out a shotgun, start murdering them, and take all their stuff. I'd say there had to already be a difference between the two universes prior to that moment.
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I'd place the point of divergence somewhere near the Big Bang, really. But it seems likelier to me that there never was such a point at all.
The point of the Mirror Universe isn't "what if?", that is, "had we done this or that differently, what would follow?". The point of the Mirror Universe is "what if?", that is, "if we all were fundamentally violent, immoral and lesbian by birth, what would follow?". There is no historical connection between the RU and the MU - and there need not be any historical connection between the various MUs that have been shown in the various episodes, either.
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Cochrane may not have been the number one most noble guy on the planet, but, in FC, he didn't seem like the sort of guy who, upon seeing aliens for the first time, would pretend to be friendly, then whip out a shotgun, start murdering them, and take all their stuff. I'd say there had to already be a difference between the two universes prior to that moment.
I've been giving some thought to this myself...
In our universe, Troi tells Cochrane ahead of time that the aliens who would be making contact are "good guys." After sorting everything out, the Vulcans land, Cochrane makes peaceful first contact, time loop complete.
In the mirror universe, either one of two things happen:
1) The Borg attack never happens. Cochrane is never told ahead of time by someone that the Vulcans are peaceful, and thus he concludes that they are attacking. Considering how many sci-fi stories where humans mistake peaceful aliens for invaders, this is not necessarily out of the question.
2) The Borg attack happens. Somebody from the future tells Cochrane that the Vulcans are invaders. Whether or not the Vulcans are actually invading is irrelevant, it simply is what Terran Empire history records. Therefore, when the Vulcans land, Cochrane attacks. Time loop complete.
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quote: Cochrane may not have been the number one most noble guy on the planet, but, in FC, he didn't seem like the sort of guy who, upon seeing aliens for the first time, would pretend to be friendly, then whip out a shotgun, start murdering them, and take all their stuff.
Then again, perhaps matters diverged when Deanna and Will interrupted Zephram's drinking at the bar? Had they not, Zep would have finished the bottle, suffered brain damage, and gone so bonkers that he'd shoot all the space aliens he'd meet within the next 24 hours.
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Maybe on one iteration through the loop someone told him Vulcans don't like his music.
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About the tholian ship, was there more than one design ini the space-scenes? Also, isn�t there a ship inside the asteroid that doesn�t look like a webslinger? Pointy front, but cargomodule-like rear?
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There is at least one additional ship. The shape is identical, but it looks more like the silver TOS-ship than the new blue/black Tholian. And one of them does indeed tug some containers. If anyone has the ability to make some screencaps, it appears after they've identified the asteroid base on the main screen. There's a short cut to Forrest, followed by an exterior shot of the facility. The tug can be spotted in the lower right of the docking bay, heading out of it.
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