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MOST first officers aboard starships are of the 2.5 pip variety. The notable exceptions are Spock 2nd season onwards), Riker, and one or two others (including one breveted cadet). Chakotay and Sisko were both of that rank while first officers on their respective ships.
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Very true... I guess I never had a problem with Sisko being a commander, but being the CO of a station, or any other occasion of ranks seeming low, except for Kim- rank is usually a measure of experience, skill and time you've put into your duty, so it just seemed odd that he could be an Ensign, and then be put in charge of Ops, and be in command on night watch- are there no higher ranking officers on the ship? We really should do a study of every officer mentioned... I also wonder exactly how many Maquis crew there really were- in Caretaker there were just three- and then the others came out of the woodwork later- and they seemed to keep coming out of the woodwork.
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Harry was never promoted because the Voyager producers/writers were lazy and then when they realised it was a bit rediculous him still being and Ensign hey kept it as a bit of a joke.
If everyone was continually promoted though - they'd all be commanders.
I think Harry's experience was well known on the ship and that he would automatically achieve seniority based on that fact.
There were always more than 3 Maquis... there were at least 40. An actual number was given.
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It's sad that Paris went from being aprisoner, to outranking Harry, to a prisoner again, to outranking harry (again).
Kim should have disobeyed orders more often.
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Even Tuvok started as a Lt. Commander was then mysteriously demoted to Full Lt. then promoted with much fanfare to Lt. Commander again later in the series.
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More laziness on the part of the production staff, apparently. He was always supposed to be a Lt., as I recall, but unbelieveably, they made a mistake and outfitted him with an extra half a pip. He was never addressed as Commander or Lt. Commander until he was promoted later in the series.
Paris was made a Lt. at the beginning of the series because he had likely already acheived that rank before being drummed out of Starfleet. Janeway simply reinstated his rank.
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Actually, Paris started off with full lieutenant pips, and then they changed to the junior grade rank at the same time as they fixed Tuvok's. It's harder to say if this was a mistake from the beginning or a mid-season tweak though, as junior grade's are always called "lieutenant" anyway.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: MOST first officers aboard starships are of the 2.5 pip variety. The notable exceptions are Spock 2nd season onwards),
And, to highlight that Voyager was possibly just following a TOS tradition, while Spock was called a lt commander in some first season episodes he always wore full commander stripes. I don't think anyone knows if it's a costuming error that he didn't have the one and one half sripe, or if it was a script error that gave him the wrong rank.
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Wasn't Kim's posting a prestige one because he's graduated top of his class at the Academy? Ops officer on one of the newest Starfleet marques, largely possible because of its small screw size.
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If it helps at all, in the alternate time line from "Non-Sequiter" Kim's request for a position on Voyager was denied and it went to his buddy. Kim, while muttering to himself, didn't seem surprised about the assignment being a request, so we can probably assume that he requested the assignment on Voyager in the real timeline too. The only other similar instance I can think of is Bashir requesting an assignment on DS9. He said he could've had any assignment he wanted, because he placed so high in his class at Med School. So Kim's ability to request a post might indeed be due to super overachievement, but I don't think he ever said so explicitly.
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I could have had any posting on the internet: I chose Flare. You know, a chance to practice real frontier sarcasm...
I dont recall ever hearing that Kim graduated top of his class (though in truth there are probably 20 episodes of Voyager I've just skipped alltogether).
Mabye Janeway just likes the asian boys....or mabye Cavat knew his family or something. It's not like Janeway had to select the entire crew herself for what should have benn a short mission. I mean, her CMO and first officer were total (unprofessional) fuckos, so it's unlikely she's worked with them prior (or she's a real bad judg of character).
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The only member of the crew Janeway specifically says she personally chose was Tuvok, who she had most definitely worked with before. TNG gave the impression that all captains hand pick their XOs and it was a super big deal to do so. So maybe Janeway had thumbed through a bunch of files until she found someone who wouldn't make fun of her hair. But maybe Picard just whined until he got a say in the matter.
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Or mabye Picard had more clout (as Voyager was Janeway's first command).
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There's some confusion about that isn't there? I'm pretty sure the admiral in "Relativity" said it was her first, but elsewhere it seemed evident that she had commanded another ship.
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I'm pretty sure that she said that she first met Tuvok during her first command, although I don't know if this was ever expanded on.
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