quote:The difference being, of course, that X2 was a *good* film and Nemesis was *not.*
Well, no offense, but the way you lot came in your pants over that unmitigated pile of diarrhoeic whaleshit that was Spiderhyphenman doesn't go a whole way towards estabishing your lack of bias in these matters. . .
Uhh...I actually did not like Spider-Man, and I've never said that I did. I thought they did a piss-poor job of incorporating the vast hatred between the Goblin and Spidey. WHY OH WHY did they *have* to use Mary Jane instead of doing the whole Gwen Stacy story? That would have made a very dramatically satisfying film...
I very much liked X2 because the story did a *good* job of incorporating a lot of the important background from the comics without making the movie seem bloated, and it had a very appropriate Star Wars-esque feel in that it was a smooth continuation of the first film and lead-in to the next. More importantly, the acting and characterization was pretty much spot-on. (Brian Cox was so awesome as Stryker! He plays such a great villain...the original Hannibal Lecter... )
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quote:The difference being, of course, that X2 was a *good* film and Nemesis was *not.*
Well, no offense, but the way you lot came in your pants over that unmitigated pile of diarrhoeic whaleshit that was Spiderhyphenman doesn't go a whole way towards estabishing your lack of bias in these matters. . .
And I have to say that your... "colorful commentary"... on same show an obvious bias against.
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Oh, come on! It was shit. Acting - shit. Script - shit. Plot - shit. Effects - shit. I'm sorry, but we should all count ourselves lucky that with the X-Men franchise we have had (so far) a director and creative team who actually care about doing a good job, something that couldn't be said for Spider-Man or Star Trek: Nemesis, where it's been plainly obvious that a "what the heck, the punters'll lap up whatever crap we throw at them" mentality exists.
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So, my utter dislike for that rancid pile of celluloid known as Spider-Man is evidence of my total bias against. . . films. . . called. . . Spider-Man? I see.
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As long as you're not Frank Burns, I guess it's alright...
No, my point to "Vogon Poet" deals more w/the use of the expletives to illustrate the opinion. Shows massive bias on the individual's part when one feels the overwhelming "need" to use such and what I consider to be lack of an open mind. It's one thing to have an opinion, but another to be highly critical in such a fashion. Thus my Rolling Of The Eyes in disdain and commentary on the bias.
And I got no problem with people having opinions. I have a few of those myself from time to time. Or so I'm told by Wife.
No, my problem is with the aforementioned seeing lack of open-mindedness and apparent need of belitting a movie that some others might have liked in such a fashion. It's obviously a need on the individual's part to make others feel stupid for liking Spider-man, as well as forestall anyone arguing with him on anything to do with the movie because it was such "shit".
How 'bout "Whatever!" That make ya'll fee better? I could put a bunch of curse words in there, like every other word if that makes it right...?
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He's just stating his opinion for God's sake; he can do it any way he likes!! It' not a lack of open mindedness- presumeably he had an open mind before he saw the film at which point he formed the opinion that the film was shit. And it wasn't exactly the best film ever made was it?
X-men was better in all areas. Hopefully any future films will be also.
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quote:Originally posted by Wraith: And it wasn't exactly the best film ever made was it?
Yes it was! It was an obvious Citizen Kane analog: Aunt May was Rosebud. I can't believe you did'nt get that....
C'mon guys! It's a fuckin' comic book movie! You like it or you don't .
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Oh, goody. A newbie's decided to attack me personally. Don't they ever learn?
Obviously he's much more intelligent than I am. You can tell this because he's put my name in "inverted commas." Genius! (by which of course I mean, stupid cunt!)
I've never been a Spiderman fan, really. The 1980's Harry Hamlin show did a lot to cauterize any particular regard I had for the concept. But all the same, I was aware that given how long it had taken to finally make a film (I can even remember the circa-1990 rumours, of James Cameron and Michael Biehn etc.) and knew that given the amount of anticipation shown everywhere, this was a film that Had To Be Seen. So I did, expecting to see something special.
So, this obviously illustrates my bias because by GriffTwat's lights I should have gone to see it knowing I was going to see The Greatest Film Of All Time, and more importantly coming out afterwards firmly believing I had just seen the Greatest Film Of All Time.
quote:No, my problem is with the aforementioned seeing lack of open-mindedness and apparent need of belitting a movie that some others might have liked in such a fashion. It's obviously a need on the individual's part to make others feel stupid for liking Spider-man, as well as forestall anyone arguing with him on anything to do with the movie because it was such "shit".
Or in other words, "MOMMMMMMYYYYYY!!! He's being horrible about Spider-Man! Make him stop!" I'm sorry, did I say anywhere that anyone who liked Spider-Man was stupid? I don't think it was a very good film. Its flaws seem quite apparent to me and I'm mystifed why it continue to hold such high regard in people's minds. All I ever meant to say was, maybe given the high level of anticipation that builds before seeing such films, maybe some people aren't being particularly objective about them.
Hence, my question about why plot holes in Nemesis (most of which would be unknown to a non-Trekkie viewer, which I'm not but can experience, say, through my own wife who is a non-Trekkie) are enough to totally condemn the film while any plot holes in X-Men 2 (and I'm not an X-Men fan particularly, and know little of the mythology) aren't anywhere near as important.
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Wow. A very mature and well thought out response that gets about as insulting as anything I've ever seen online. Thanks for confirming my thoughts regarding you. I really appreciate it.
Again, I never said you don't have a right to an opinion. However, the social implication of continuously calling the movie "shit" over and over and over and over and over - ad naseum - indicates that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Didn't I say this above...?
It's rather ironic, but someone whom I disagree with constantly has said it best at another forum: Best tool for a weak argument: Name calling.
BTW, put your name in "quotes" as I did because you don't seem to have the cojones to put your real name in your posts while being sophomorically insulting.
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Your name is Lee? I thought it was Kosh...oh wait...
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