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Maybe someone's discussed this before, but another way to "restore balance" would be if the Sith and Jedi annihilated each other, and then there was no use of dark or light sides. Luke just has to fall on his lightsabre and all is in balance, right?
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Time frames in general are kind of odd in this film. Like, it sure seems as if most of the latter part takes place in the space of an evening, including multiple trips to multiple planets. Palpatine picks up on Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting and orders his shuttle ready, and then gets to the planet just a few minutes after they finish?
Lucas seems to have an occasionally wonky sense of timing, in the sense of when various things happen in relation to other things. Like, Luke and Han and Leia all leave Hoth at the same time. Luke skips out to train with Yoda, while the Falcon spends several hours running away from the Imperial fleet before sneaking off to Bespin. They hang out in Bespin for, well, for how long until Darth Vader invites them to dinner? The Han/Leia story seems to take place over just a few days, while Luke seems to be on Dagobah for weeks or more.
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I think the chase through the asteroid belt (and hiding within) takes a couple of days and then the trip to Bespin takes several weeks.
Probably a couple of months for Luke's training overall.
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Well, here's the thing. Since they leave Hoth in different directions, we know the three planets' spatial relationship forms a triangle. Luke's combined travel distance from Hoth to Dagobah and from Dagobah to Bespin has to be longer than the distance from Hoth to Bespin. Two sides of a triangle cannot add up to less than the third side. So, even accounting for a possible day or two in the asteroid belt, and a day or two on Bespin (both of which seem generous, really), the only way Luke, having spent at least a couple weeks on Dagobah, could have arrived at Bespin when he did was if his X-wing flies very very significantly faster than the Millennium Falcon.
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I thought the hyperdrive of the Millennium Falcon was non-operational at the time, thus explaining why it took them so long to get there and allowing time for Luke's training.
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Well, if they didn't use hyperdrive, wouldn't we have to assume Hoth and Bespin were in the same system? Either that, or Luke actually had quite a few decades to train with Yoda.
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quote:They know he's gone all Dark Side, Yoda said he sensed it in him. But that doesn't necessarily make him a Sith.
His name is Darth Tyranus, that makes him a Sith. Furthermore, he discussed the finer points of being (and not being) a Sith with Assaj Ventress in the "Clone Wars" miniseries.
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quote:I'm still in two minds about whether Dooku/Tyrannus knows Palpatine is Sidious. The key moments are: Dooku telling Kenobi that Sidious is controlling the Senate in EpII, and Dooku's reaction on hearing Palpatine telling Anakin to execute him. These scens take on whole different meanings depending on ho clued-in Dooku is.
Also *koff*, his having trained and served under Sidious/Palpatine for more than ten years. I'm sure he got one or two peaks in under the hood (no plumbing-pun intended).
He knew exactly who Sidious was, that's why he could do such a great job at pretending to give a toss about the Separatist movement and then throw them to the wolves to assume his place under the most powerful man in the galaxy, or so he thought!
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His name is Darth Tyranus, that makes him a Sith. Furthermore, he discussed the finer points of being (and not being) a Sith with Assaj Ventress in the "Clone Wars" miniseries.
And the Jedi didn't see any of that, which was the question I was addressing.
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As for Palpy and his merry band of disposable apprentices - why does he suddenly care about one of them enough to have him rebuilt. Especially after he failed to take out Obi-Wan?
It just seems odd that he'd go to the trouble instead of just letting him die. At that point, the galaxy is yours, most of the jedi are dead - isn't an apprentice the most dangerous thing you could have as a sith? If Yoda or old Ben come back just waste them yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by Toadkiller: As for Palpy and his merry band of disposable apprentices - why does he suddenly care about one of them enough to have him rebuilt. Especially after he failed to take out Obi-Wan?
Well, Palpatine has put a lot of time and energy into forging a friendship with Anakin and gently guiding him towards the dark side of the force. Perhaps Palpatine, in spite of being an evil bastard, had a genuine affection for him? Of course, that doesn't explain why Palpatine would want to see Luke take out the old man about twenty years later. Maybe Palpatine just has a thing for hot, young men with huge lightsabres?
quote:At that point, the galaxy is yours, most of the jedi are dead - isn't an apprentice the most dangerous thing you could have as a sith? If Yoda or old Ben come back just waste them yourself.
The galaxy's a big place to try and control. Perhaps Palpatine feels secure enough in his ability to manipulate and control Vader that he feels it'd be better to have such power on his side under his thumb rather than kill him. Besides let someone young take care of all the dirty work involved in running an empire.
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It was implied in the film (and specified behind-the-scenes) that Palpatine was responsible for Anakin's creation. I'd say that constitutes a vested interest in him. Even after he becomes damaged merchandise, he's still better than anyone around. Until Luke comes of age and asserts his Force presence, at which point Palpy decides to opt for a new model...
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I think Palpy just likes them young Skywalker boys...
Tim, if Bespin were in the same system as the asteroid field (the field could have been the ort cloud of a system I guess) the Falcon would still have needed weeks at sublight to cross the system and get within Bespin's atmosphere (assuming they maintained radio silence to avoid IMperial detection).
It's a stretch.
West End Games decided that the falcon had a emergency hyperdrive that operates far slower than a standard version (accounting for the weeks of training on Dagobah).
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Or they could have simply been running on only 4 of the eight cylinders on the back of the MF. Sort of like an SUV on Gasahol.
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