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Just an addendum to this topic, but I think I figured out where Kirk's apt. in TWOK and TSFS is supposed to be. I was looking at an old behind the scenes photo where film production crew memebers are setting up miniature buildings outside the windows of the Kirk apartment set. Behind the model buildings is a cyclorama of the bay area (left over from another movie), from which I can tell that the approximate point of view for the cyclorama is either Russian Hill or Telegraph Hill (where Coit Tower is located). If the latter, Kirk's more or less above (and slightly south of) Fisherman's Wharf.
The Northern California Movies site I linked to claims Russian Hill, but from my perspective I'm thinking Telegraph Hill.
The distant city lights seen to the right of Kirk in the image above would be Sausalito. Those just to the left of his head would be Fort Baker, which is where Starfleet HQ is situated in Enterprise.
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I always thought it was quite a cool apartment - well when it's a moving picture.
So is this on the south side or the north side of the bay? Close into San Francisco or out near the heads - which is where the GG Bridge is isn't it?
Forgive me if I've fucked that all up - I've never been to San Francisco - my mental map is made up from what I've seen on Trek! And maybe a map here or there (probably posted here) (possibly in this thread even).
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I always thought it was quite a cool apartment - well when it's a moving picture.
So is this on the south side or the north side of the bay? Close into San Francisco or out near the heads - which is where the GG Bridge is isn't it?
Forgive me if I've fucked that all up - I've never been to San Francisco - my mental map is made up from what I've seen on Trek! And maybe a map here or there (probably posted here) (possibly in this thread even).
Here, again, is a map I made a few years ago. Kirk's apt. is either at the point labeled Coit Tower/Telegraph Hill, or slightly to the left of that on Russian Hill.
San Francisco is on the south side of the Golden Gate, the channel that connects the Bay to the ocean, as such, it's neither south or north bay. Kind of "above the middle of the bay". The bay is to the east, the Golden Gate is to the north, the Pacific Ocean is to the west, and the burbs are south.
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Seeing the "relative proximity" of all the Command structures, I'm wondering iff the whole area including the Presidio, the Bridge itself, & the "anchor ends" aren't set aside as "Federation territory" with the whole area being a massive sort of historical heritage area. That way, Starfleet could keep people from spraying "Ixkgnortgvkt rules!!" on the old buildings & such.
Also, I never liked the idea of the Federation Council being in San Francisco. There were no windows in the chambers, so how do we know it's not in Brussels or Geneva or Berlin or somewhere else it would make more sense for the Federation President (based in Paris) to get to?
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I don't think what we saw in IV was even the actual Council. Too small, and the seats were filled with Starfleet officers. It makes more sense for it to be some Council security committee, which could very well be meeting somewhere in Starfleet headquarters.
Anyway, while it makes a lot of sense to keep your executive and legislature in physical proximity (even, I'd argue, three hundred years in the future with transporters and really sweet broadband), thus leading towards the Council being somewhere in Europe, if not itself in Paris, it also makes sense to keep your military headquarters close at hand too.
Or does it? Certainly the case could be made today that a distributed govenment (physically) is a good idea, to prevent all your leadership from dying from weaponized bird flu on the same day. On the other hand, anyone coming to blow up Starfleet Command has already traveled billions of miles; the Atlantic is not likely to present a problem.
Plus it seems like a good idea for the president to be in walking distance of the top military leaders, in case, say, rogue Starfleet officers attempt a coup and somehow shut off power to the entire planet.
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Ahhh - I always thought that airtram station in TMP was in the Presidio area. So did the BoP in TVH fly under the GGbridge from West to East or East to West - I always thought they pointed to the left with the "look!" and i assumed they were approaching from the west.
Where is the cetacean institue?
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The Monterey Bay Aqu--er, the "Cetacean Institute" is in Monterey, outside the scope of that map.
Simon: I agree with the idea that that was NOT the entire Council shown. In Prime Directive, the idea of the "general council" was mentioned, with representatives at the system-wide level; perhaps something similar was shown.
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They shot the Cetacean Institute at the Monterey Bay Aquarium, but it was supposed to be in Sausilito, North Bay.
On the subject of Kirk's apartmentL So my sister lives on the northern edge of Russian Hill (Woo! I'll be watching her house while she's away next week!) Anyway, so I'm inclined to think it is Russian Hill owing to the absence of Alcatraz.
If only there were some program that would let us see different vantages and geography. aside: (OK, I will be this nerdy, but only because it's Wrath of Khan)
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Okay. I did some more detective work and I know where Kirk's apartment is. The cyclorama used is from The Towering Inferno (you can tell because of the horizon line), which means Kirk's place is like 100 or more stories up.
I did some poking around about that film and figured out where the building was supposed to be. It was here:
This puts it roughly on the south side of Market Street at the start of Geary Blvd., between 2nd and 3rd Streets, more or less due south of the Transamerica Pyramid. The view LOOKS like it's somewhere between Russian and Telegraph Hills only because the POV is from so high up.
Hell, let's just say Kirk lives IN the Towering Inferno, then we can just say this is a pic of his home turf (the tallest building)...
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What is that building really - or is it another building that you've just photoshopped? I would assume that the city has more higher buildings in that time too.
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God damn, I guess it's good to be the admiral.
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