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One thought I had about the Phoenix and Jean Grey at the end... I doubt they're going to do the whole alien connection. They seemed to hint at the end that this was going to be some uber mutation for Jean. In other words... she's just going to advance much, much farther in her abilities. But, Lawd!... When I saw the Phoenix effect start to manifest itself while she was holding back the water... it blew my mind.
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There was an episode many years ago that had him fighting in WWII. And the new mini series "Origins" had him starting off as a teenager in the 1890's, if I'm not mistaken.
I think "centuries" is a bit much, though.
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oh.. i heard a reference to a story that supposedly involved him in the 1700s, but im not sure where i got that from..
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In the early 80s they used to drop occasional hints that Logan was a lot older than he looked. I remember one X-Men annual from the period had him mentally comment that the situation reminded him "of that bloody winter below Monte Cassini", a hint that Logan had fought in Italy in WWII. Supposedly at the time the in-house origin for Wolverine had him being 60 years old, and Sabretooth was 120 years old and his father.
It's like the changes with his skeleton. Originally it was supposed to be entirely adamantium. Then they changed it to being laced with adamantium (apparently someone realized that whoever did this to him would have had one hell of a time threading the vertebrae around his nerves). The claws were always supposed to be built into bionic housings in the forearms (how these were able to extend through his wrists without seriously wrecking the joints was another thing never addressed). Then one of the writers had him pop his claws after losing the adamantium, and boy, did that generate comments! (To Marvel's credit, the first time he did it after losing the adamantium, everyone was shocked -- even Logan!)
One interesting thing about the way the claws extended in the Origins mini-series. Instead of popping out between his metacarpals (the bones of the palms) as the movies and most of the comics have his claws do, the artist has them extending from the surfaces of the first three palm bones themselves. While this makes sense from the aspect of the whole wrist joint problem, it raises another difficulty: just how the blazes would he be able to do that after his bones have been sheathed in adamantium? Isn't the stuff supposed to be indestructible?
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quote:Originally posted by Nim: There was an episode many years ago that had him fighting in WWII. And the new mini series "Origins" had him starting off as a teenager in the 1890's, if I'm not mistaken.
I think "centuries" is a bit much, though.
That was DEFINITELY one of comics worst stories despie incredible Jim Lee artwork! In that story Wolverine, The Black Widow (as a young girl) and captain America team up to stop Baron Strucker and HYDRA from joining forces with the Hand ninjas. First, someone really should have pointed out to Claremont that his story is set a few months before the Pearl Harbor attack!!!!!!! There would have been NO Captain America BEFORE WWII started (as per every Cap story ever written)! He really makes a point of saying that WWII is "a few months away" during the story and they need to prevent this alliance now! Ug. What a moron. Next, this story puts the Black widow at close to 70 years old by current times (she's lookin' hot for a 70 year old human in the Avengers) and last time I checked, her only time-defying healing factor was "Max Factor". Lastly HYDRA was formed after WWII by nazi war crimminals into a terrorist organization: Strucker was a SS Comandant IIRC. Skip this story unless you want to develop instant pathological hatred for Chris Claremont. He's a good writer overall, but he was burnt out on "X-Everything" that Marvel was tryng to milk sales with back then and those were the last X-books he'd write for a few years.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: First, someone really should have pointed out to Claremont that his story is set a few months before the Pearl Harbor attack!!!!!!! There would have been NO Captain America BEFORE WWII started (as per every Cap story ever written)!
Maybe they were using the starting date of WWII as defined by the rest of the world, rather than the starting date the US uses?
Unlikely, I know...
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Cap didint come about before Pearl Harbor. He joined up because of it. Wolverine being 100+ years old has always bothered me: it makes him a highlander knock off with claws (what with all the flashback issues and all).
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I am so far behind on watching big screen movies, I haven't even seen Nemesis yet. I may have to rent a huge screen tv for a weekend from a rent to own to watch it at least some what correctly....
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quote:Originally posted by Woodside Kid: Except, of course, that all this stuff with Logan being a lot older than he looks started years before Highlander hit the screen.
Really? I don't remember any references to it until the very late eighties.
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quote:Oh and what about when Jean used Xavier to talk to Scott - sad moment but - for a moment there (and I did laugh - which soughta spoilt the moment for me!) It looked as if Xavier(Jean Controlled)/Scott were going to Kiss! LOL! See if you can spot it too!
Funny thing, that's not the first time Patrick Stewart has been in such a situation. In Lifeblood he plays a scientist who gets possessed by a nude space vampire, and the main guy has this confrontation with him/her/it during which you see either PS or the actress (Mathilde May) on this table. And since the hero has a thing for the vamp, there are a few intense (-ly hilarious) moments of staring into each others eyes. . .
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That's Lifeforce. Not a bad movie for creepy spaceship design.
...and Wolverine being older than hell was started back in the late 80's after the Woverine comic became a monthly thing. It started with stories of him being a settler in the Canadian woods with a native indian girl called Silver Fox. The memories all turned out to be false (along with most of his origin) and Silver Fox turned out to be a weapon X-er that was now a HYDRA bigwig. Admantium claws very much like the ones Deathstrike had in the movie were built into her hands. I sure don't remember if she was a mutant but I don't think so. I think Wolvie ended up killing her too...
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