Shik
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You can use self-defense in your defense, but if there's anything questionable or hinky about it at, there's an obligation to prosecute. Might be for negligent homicide or manslaughter or even murder 2...but they have to prosecute.
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Which just illustrates another problem with the justice system. When I can be prosecuted for killing someone who was threatening my life, there's something bad wrong.
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
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There are a few organizations out there which, if you join and pay a yearly membership fee, will pay all your legal defenses if you should happen to shoot someone in self-defense... provided the court rules in your favor.
There are also organizations that will, if you become a member, take care of your defense if you're audited by the IRS.. again for free.
If only we could somehow combine the two...
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My personal favorite is the one that pays for your legal fees if you have to defend your right to homeschool your kids.
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
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Well, I can just see how well it would work if we didn't have an investigation/prosecution process for self-defense cases.
"Ye gods, you've just shot that man! You're gonna spen the rest of your life in jail, buddy! You're under arrest!" "Erm... It was self defense!" "It was?" "Yeah." "Oh. Okay. Well, off you go, then. Just, er... don't leave this body here, eh? It's not a very nice sight, what w/ this being a playground and all..." "Oh, right. No problem."
------------------ "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -Yasir Arafat on religious wars
------------------ Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit? ~C. Montgomery Burns
We DO arrest soldiers when they get home from war.
Lt. Calley & My Lai. Do you know the story? It was a massacre, and Calley was tried and convicted for his role in it -- because the attack on the village wasn't WAR, it was a MASS-MURDER.
Similar for cops, they may use deadly force because it is their job to use deadly force (if the situation calls for it). But if they use it improperly -- into jail for them!
------------------ Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Republican *** Gore/Lieberman 2000 - a step forward into the new millennium
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited October 27, 2000).]
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Make no mistake. NOBODY but an uncaught psychopath kills 'free from consequences.'
Anybody who's ever had to kill someone, even IN self defense or in the performance of their duties as a member of the military, even if they faced NO charges whatsoever, can tell you that. It's a horribly traumatic thing to do, even if you ARE in the right.
------------------ "Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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I think that the point was for the common soldier, that killed the enemy, wasn't charged with murder. The US did right in convicting Calley, it shows to the world we do not condon acts of terror and violence, even from our stressed out troops. There is a difference in killing the enemies with weapons in combat and slaughtering women and children.
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It my thread and if I don't want to talk guns then I don't have to! :P
Michael Moore, one of my favorite writer and film maker type people wrote the following on Grassroots.com and for all you people wanting equanimity, I include the Gore questions as well...and direct you to look at the site as it is filled with just as many right wing loonies as good thing socialists.
FOR GEORGE W. BUSH:
1. Are you a functional illiterate? Will you prove to us that you can read and write on an adult level? Will you take the same test you want teachers to take? This is not meant to humiliate you. This is a national security issue. It is too dangerous to have a president sitting in the Oval Office who has a serious problem with his basic reading skills. This does not make you a lesser person. Millions of people are dyslexic or have a reading problem. But should their finger be on "The Button?" Perhaps you need help, or therapy, or Hooked on Phonics. But not the Oval Office. Please respond in complete and understandable sentences.
2. Are you an alcoholic? You say that you had a drinking problem, that you were more in love with "it" than those around you. You claim to have not touched one drop of alcohol since you turned 40, implying that you are unable to even have one drink for fear of abusing the substance. First of all, congratulations on your ability to overcome this disease. Millions of people are alcoholic, and many of them are able to live normal lives once they have come to grips with their problem. But should an alcoholic be President? As you have no idea yet of what it's like to experience the pressures and anxieties surrounding the most stressful job in the world, are you confident you can stay "on the wagon?" And if you aren't, what protections would you set up in advance to insure that WE are protected from any irrational decisions you may make while intoxicated? This is a national security issue.
3. Please list the felonies you have committed. You stated that you have not committed "a felony in the last 25 years" when asked about your rumored use of cocaine. What exactly does that statement mean? The implication is that you DID commit a felony before 1975. Was it regarding drugs -- or did you mean some OTHER felony? We have a right to know what that felony is. Why? Because if an enemy of the United States, either foreign (i.e., Saddam) or domestic (i.e., Exxon, Mobil), found evidence of this felony you seem desperate to hide, they could use it as blackmail against you. They could threaten to release it to the public if you do not do what they want you to do. This is a national security issue. You have to tell us what you are hiding so that no man or nation or corporation has anything to hold over you. The American people are a forgiving people. Come clean with your past so that it does not jeopardize OUR future.
4. You are a failed businessman, many times over. What leads you to believe that you will not sink the economy of the United States of America?
FOR AL GORE:
1. Your people have done a pretty good job scaring liberals into voting for you for fear that a Bush presidency would make abortion illegal, that George W. Bush would appoint justices to the Supreme Court like right-wing nuts Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. If your support for a woman's right to choose is so strong, and you and the Democrats believe that Thomas and Scalia are abhorrent choices indicative of what Bush would give us, then why did you, as a Senator, vote "YEA" to place Antonin Scalia on the U.S. Supreme Court? And why did 11 Democrats cross over and vote in favor of Thomas' nominatioDon't we have the Democrats and you yourself to thank for the rightward tilt of the Court?
2. A few weeks ago, a 62-year old man by the name of John Adams was sitting in his living room chair watching "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" on TV when plainclothes police officers burst through the door and shot him dead. It was a drug raid, a popular tactic in the Clinton/Gore War on Drugs. Except John Adams wasn't a drug dealer. The police had the wrong house. His house was just a few miles down the road from your national campaign headquarters in Nashville. Mr. Adams is not the first mistaken casualty in your drug war. What do you have to say to his 70-year old widow?
3. Why are you supporting TWICE the increase in the Pentagon budget that Bush is proposing?
4. Why are you ignoring Bill Clinton? You act like he doesn't exist. This man made you vice president. You might end up being president thanks to him. And he didn't treat you like most vice presidents get treated. He included you in on his decisions. You got to attend all the meetings. He had a private lunch with you every week. He appointed you in charge of downsizing hundreds of thousands of people in the federal government. He made you point man on all environmental issues. He always said "Al and me" when going over his administration's accomplishments. Now you treat him like dirt. Hey, I got my problems with Clinton and what he has done, but whatever happened to loyalty and friendship? What does this say about YOUR character when you snub someone so publicly who has been so good to you? When Americans see this, they wonder about you. Could they trust you? Would you desert us the way you have deserted your friend, Bill Clinton? Would you be willing to barnstorm the country with him for the following week and win this damn election?
Those are my questions. I await them being posed, and I await the candidates' answers.
------------------ Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit? ~C. Montgomery Burns
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B1: Stupid question. The man knows too much about too many things to have memorized it all verbally. Under any circumstances, if he can't read or write, he can't be sworn in.
B2: Again, stupid question. If he wasn't confident he could handle it, he wouldn't be running.
B3: Stupid question. What effect could something Bush may or may not have done three decades ago possibly have on his job performance?
B4: Stupid question. The presidency is absolutely nothing like being the owner or CEO of a business.
G1: Legitimate question. Gore bashed a justice that he voted for. This to most would constitute hypocracy.
G2: Stupid question. What did Gore have to do with the mistake of our local policemen? I haven't been paying ALL that much attention to the story, but they apparently didn't announce their presence and ID, if you're wondering.
G3: Um, maybe because the military needs the money?
G4: Stupid question. Gore may have his honesty problems, but he isn't stupid. Clinton's personal approval rating is, what, 35%? He's NEVER gotten a majority of the vote. Heck, in the '96 election, he got 24% of the registered vote total! And more than that, he's never had coat-tails. The Democrats lost congress for the first time in four decades under him.
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
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Oh, yes JK, believe it. Anything at all that questions Bush is a "stupid question" and therefor dismissed out of hand in Omega little world.
And since the Rupublicans bring the "character" question up and have made it the litmus test of everyone but Republicans:
1) It is a question that Bush needs to answer in light of all the Clinton bashing and the conservative belief that any President now needs to be above reproach...even going back to college and before.
2) The Republicans have done a wonderful job sidesteping the question and and not answering it.
------------------ Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit? ~C. Montgomery Burns
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In situations such as these, just remind yourself, that someday you will get pussy, while little Omega will still be reduced to slapping the purple zygote while viewing that one damn fake nude picture of Sandra Bullock. You know the one I'm talking about.
Yes you do. Admit it
------------------ "Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps." - Tiger Woods
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A FELONY???? You can't own a hand gun in this country for commiting a felony, but you can control a huge nuclear arsenal that can wipe out mankind.....
Does this seem (to quote Omega) STUPID!!!!!! and this guy can get nominated to run this country....
I think I am moving to Iraq shortly, at least there I know the people there want me dead.....
------------------ Stupid bastards and religious freaks, so safe in their castle keeps...
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