All the more reason for me to pray.

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You don't like me... specifically BECAUSE I'm concerned for your eternal soul?

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Er. Where'd you get THAT?

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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01

Sure, Omega, I like you, kid. Just not when you pull Holier than thou stuff.

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

Oh really? Hear that gang? Only HIS beliefs is applicable to any debate. Talk about arrogance to the extreme.

"Yes, you are. The vast majority of Christians do not believe the things you claim they believe. Thus, you are setting up a false stereotype by trying to convince Andrew that we do. Have you tried asking any Christians what they believe about the end-times?"

I never said that. But a lot of non-mainstream protestants do. And as if you people don't stereotype to the nth degree. And I don't care if I convince Andrew or not. I'm attacking YOU and your belifes because I think that you are WRONG and harmful. And as for asking Christian about the end times, a lot don't care, some don't really believe it and a small group (like me) think's it's an allegory.

"Case in point. It is not true that a lot of groups believe this, Andrew. I'd be surprised if you could find three. You are being fed false information."

It most certainly is true. Go to www.godshatesfags.com and read up on a certain Fred Phelps preaches. And everyone who has a different opinion than yours feeds "false information", Ok. Uh-huh. Sureeeeee.....

"THIS, I'll grant. If the Antichrist is to take over the world for seven years before the Second Coming as predicted, and if you assume that the sequence of events leading up to the Second Coming is going to begin within the next three decades, then it would be logical to assume that the Antichrist has been born. It's just a matter of whether you believe He's coming back soon or not.

And yes, Antichrist probably would be living in Europe somewhere, as there is prophetic reference to his coming from the same lineage as those who originally scattered the Jews. This would seem to be Romans. "Left Behind" has him coming from Romania, where the people are of strong Italian descent.

'Course, lots of Italians live here, too. For all we know, it could be some mafia boss from New York.

Or the next Pope."

See, i've heard this said many times on Fundie TV. That the Catholic Church will be a tool of the Anti-Christ and that the next Pope will be him. Does that mean that the Catholics are in leauge with Satan? Is that what you're TRYING to tell Andrew?

Oh dear...

People, behold the true enemy. People like Omega who want to turn this country into a facsist theocracy. First they villify the Jews then they go after the Catholics and soon any other group who don't hold up to their so-called brand of belief is the enemy. They're fearful of technology because it weakens their so called "faith", they're fearful of science because down deep they fear that science will prove once and for all that there IS no God. And most of all, they're fearful that they will loose their power and ability to brainwash people into believing their brand of garbage.

How truly sad for you Omega, to live in fear of imaginary boogy-men.

I'm really, really, REALLY finished with ever talking to you.

UM said: This is the reason I don't [like you] now.

Hm.

?????

You can't just arbitrarily place 'like you' in my sentence. Granted, it wasn't exactly the most Grammatocratic Oath-inspired response, but it didn't mean that.

I pray that you'll be [dead any lying in a gutter somewhere after eating a bad donut] among...

I don't think you can do that.

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 7.64 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with six eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01

That oughta do it.

:P

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"Silence is the language god speaks, and everything else is a bad translation."
--Father Thomas Keating

I like you, kid. Just not when you pull Holier than thou stuff.

I'm not holier than you. I'm scum. I'm just redeemed scum.

You can't just arbitrarily place 'like you' in my sentence.

Sorry, I just couldn't figure out what else you were talking about.

Only HIS beliefs is applicable to any debate.

Did I say that?

But a lot of non-mainstream protestants do.

I AM a non-mainsteam protestant. 95% of my friends are non-mainstream protestants. NONE believe the things you say. How do you define a lot?

I'm attacking YOU and your belifes because I think that you are WRONG and harmful.

Really? How do my beliefs cause harm to people?

And as for asking Christian about the end times, a lot don't care

Not true. What's the point of believing that Christ is the Son of God, if you don't believe everything He said?

Does that mean that the Catholics are in leauge with Satan? Is that what you're TRYING to tell Andrew?

I didn't say that. It was an example of someone who might be of Italian descent who could be placed on the world stage at short notice. Nothing more.

Not that the remnant of the Catholic church won't play a role in the Antichrist's regime (the harlot, who sits on seven hills), but then, this is after the rapture, so it's really just any people who were left behind, claiming to be Christians. Bureaucracies never die, you know.

People like Omega who want to turn this country into a facsist theocracy.

Where'd you get that?

People call ME paranoid?

they fear that science will prove once and for all that there IS no God.

Impossible. Logic and science do not allow for the proof of a universal negative.

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"Silence is the language god speaks, and everything else is a bad translation."
--Father Thomas Keating

Hey Ziyal...question for you. Are you Wiccan? I don't mean anything personal by it, my BF just came "Out of the Broom Closet" today and he's started to practice and study Wicca.

Let's not slander eachother. No matter what's going on or who believes what, we're all on this Earth together, so let's just try to get along. Please? I randomly checked this out to see what was going on, and I don't like a few of the things I've seen.... just remember you guys.... whether you believe in the Bible or not, it's still better to love one another that to hate.... even John Lennon believed that, and he DEFIANTELY was not one of us "Jesus-freaks"...

Just please? Can't we be nice at least? If you don't want to be constructive or you don't like what's being discussed, get out... and if you want to talk about porn? Great... go start a thread.... I'm sure you'll be joined by others!

Thanks, y'all..... I just really like people to try to get along, even when debating.... luv yas!

~LOA

~LOA

To say "you're wrong" CAN provoke someone to revenge, but only if they're a very immature person. And don't get me started on that whole "taking energy" crap again. Why not use "karma", or some other word that doesn't really mean anything, instead of a word so rigidly defined?

Do you admit that saying "you're wrong" makes yourself feel better? Then that feeling is an energy or power increase in yourself that you've stolen from another. Food gives you energy, but you also get it unconsciously from people. When another person admires you, LOVES you, he/she gives you energy willingly. This is why a new relationship may feel more invigorating than it does six months later. When you steal someone's energy, such as by making them self-conscious, it makes them physically more tired. I will further explain this without the term "energy" if you like, since that is all you will argue about even though it's not the point.

Much of this is so ingrained in us that it can be explained psychologically. In our lives we are constantly trying to make others do what we want or resist others' attempts to make us do what they want (okay, it's kind of a crude definition). This is called a control drama. There are four types in varying degrees: Intimidator, Interrogator, Aloofness, and Poor Me. There are no clear-cut lines of who is which type, some may have a dominant one, and most people have more than one.

The Intimidator is the bully, the abusive person who uses violence to solve problems. If you tell someone you're not gonna follow his directions (get off his property, give him your lunch money, etc), and he threatens to beat you up, that's an Intimidator. The process of beating you up makes him empowered and feel good, so he continues to do it. The Intimidator drama can be passed on from parent to child, as in many cases a child who's abused becomes the abuser later in life.

The Interrogator is the never-ending critic, the nitpicker, the why-did-you-get-an-A-minus-but-not-an-A parent. The Interrogator criticizes, perhaps making him/herself feel better because she can spot the faults in other people's work. Mind you, criticism can be constructive if worded carefully and strategically, but this is not the concern of an Interrogator.

The Aloof person is reluctant to talk. He/she may answer your question in the simplest way possible, making you to probe more, ask more, thereby spending more attention (aka "energy") on them. The Aloof person is resulted from an Interrogator parent. For example, if a child is constantly criticized when she tells her dad what she did at school ("Oh, you're going to hell for that"), then eventually the child would stop telling her dad things except when directly asked. Aloof parents in turn make Interrogator children. When the parents don't pay enough attention to the kid, he would probe and resort to criticisms to get their attention.

Finally, the Poor Me person is the abused, the everything-bad-is-happening-to-me person. They, though undoubted would've had to suffer, use their suffering to gain constant sympathy, or attention, or energy, from you. Your sympathy makes them feel better, and that's the end goal. They result from Intimidator parents and may revert to Intimidators themselves later in life.

And that is the negative side of energy circulation in society today.

If we're all going to the same wonderful place, then people like Hitler would end up there, too, so long as they believed that they were doing the right thing?

Not necessarily. You'd only end up there if your spirit believes you're dead and knows you should be going somewhere. If you're too caught up in your control drama, your spirit may live out a particular emotional moment (such as a decision or event that led to your death) over and over again. Where do you think ghosts come from? Also, (I believe, if you will) once you die, you gain a higher understanding as a spirit and you review everything you've every done in life. A person like Hitler would then realize that he was WRONG. Yes, I say that, Omega, but not whenever somebody doesn't agree with me. Only when the belief harms other people. Everything a soul does, it does of its own will. It pays off karma debts because it wants to. But in heaven everyone's goal is spiritual enlightenment rather than the selfish goals on Earth.

Your philosophy is just too happy-go-lucky. Nothing you do matters unless it matters to you, there is no absolute arbiter of justice, and EVERYONE's right. Question: if there are no absolutes, then what's the point of anything?

Like I said before, it is wrong when you harm others, physically or emotionally. There is no absolute arbiter of justice because YOU know what's best for your soul, and YOU are the absolute arbiter of yourself. On the other side, it's not physical punishment you deal with, it's your conscience.

And everything I've told you earlier on ICQ seem to have gone out the other ear. There is an absolute: Love. All types of love: family love, self-love, romantic love, friendship love, and unconditional love. This is the rule by which you judge.

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"Silence is the language god speaks, and everything else is a bad translation."
--Father Thomas Keating

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"Silence is the language god speaks, and everything else is a bad translation."
--Father Thomas Keating