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I agree with Liam. It's okay to fix things magically, but only if you pay for it. Sheridan and Spock returning from the dead being the best examples that come to mind.
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B5 wasn't about one bad guy, it was about the overall struggle of good vs evil, light vs dark, etc
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"Light vs dark" should be banned from ever appearing on television from now until the rest of time. Honestly, even turning on a light is pushing things.
And the whole point of the Shadows/Vorlon thing was that it WASN'T good/evil or light/dark or butter/marmalade...it was about parents not letting their children grow up. And maybe, at a push, chaos/control. But the parent thing. Boo.
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Speaking of light, dude, did we like ever find out who gave Gary Hobson the newspaper a day early? And did like, did they off Chuck?
That dude totally had like the newspaper a day early. He could totally ask to buy things from the classifieds way before the dude even like was going to sell it.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Does it count as Deus Ex Machina if there is some sort of counter balance? I suppose, technically, it is, but I always take the stereotypically bad DEM to be "oh, everything's been fixed, carry on with no repurcussions".
aka reset button - aka Star Trek: Voyager?
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And the whole point of the Shadows/Vorlon thing was that it WASN'T good/evil or light/dark or butter/marmalade...it was about parents not letting their children grow up. And maybe, at a push, chaos/control.
No, the KAOS/CONTROL thing was much, much funnier.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And the whole point of the Shadows/Vorlon thing was that it WASN'T good/evil or light/dark or butter/marmalade...it was about parents not letting their children grow up. And maybe, at a push, chaos/control.
No, the KAOS/CONTROL thing was much, much funnier.
Yeah, he missed a bad pun....by that much.
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: I agree with Liam. It's okay to fix things magically, but only if you pay for it. Sheridan and Spock returning from the dead being the best examples that come to mind.
Pay for it? Sheridan beats the Vorlons/Shadows/Earthgov/Soul Suckas/Third Space aliens/Drakh (probably) and became president of the Federation (you know it's the same damn thing). So I think he could've "paid for it" either a lot more or a lot sooner.
Spock got his brain scrambled a bit for two whole movies before he was his old self....and then lived to a ripe old age of forever. He paid for squat. If you mean David's death, that's silly. David paid for his botching the Genesis project (I wonder if Kirk ever bothered to tell carol?). Biiiiig deal.
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"So I think he could've 'paid for it' either a lot more or a lot sooner."
Well, he had his lifespan shortened by probably thrity years or so (or more; I'm not sure how long humans generally live in the B5 future). Plus he had to live the rest of his life knowing just how long he had left. I mean, sure, maybe he could've died immediately, or been forced to watch Delenn be blown up in slow motion, or something. But he still didn't get off scot-free.
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He got off a lot cheaper than Marcus did though. Or Sheridan's lobotomized wife. Or Londo the puppett. Or poor beheaded Mr, Morden for that matter.
He really should'nt bitch: he was saved by bullshit luck on at least five or six occasions after he *somehow* escaped a nuclear blast and a fall through (again- they never even attempted to explain) the Shadow's planet.
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Wildly off topic, but, uh, having a crazy old transcendent lifeform at the bottom of the well who's willing to save you provided you listen to some dime-store musings on the nature of time doesn't count as an explanation?
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Okay, but, he was a bit of an asshole, so he kinda had it coming.
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And Marcus didn't "pay" for anything. He just sacrificed himself so that his One True Love™ might live. It was Ivanova who payed for not trusting him sooner.
Londo, however, payed for involving himself with the Shadows by having a bug placed on his shoulder by their lackies and living the last 15 years of his life as a marionette, even though he had redeemed himself for all of it. He was the show's tragic figure for a reason, you know.
Morden payed for being the Shadows' bitch by having his head adorn a Centauri palace garden. Boo.
Anna, finally, payed for refusing to serve the Shadows by having her brain rewired for use in a Shadow Battlecrab and then dying horribly in an explosion set off by none other than her former hubbie.
So I don't know if Sheridan got off as lightly as everyone thinks. I mean, he wasn't evil, he wasn't an asshole, he had no comeuppance due from anyone, he was just an all-around nice guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and had his lifespan cut in half for it. That's not cheap in my book.
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Not cheap no....but how many times over would he-or anyone- have sacrificed their whole life to pull off some of the stunts he managed?
His planting (completely solo!) a nuke inside the thirdspace alien ship's interior and (somehow) outrunning the blast's area of effect was implusable enough, but when Ivovonna calls him on the suit's radio, he's not even breathing hard!
Mabye Lorien did a little "Rewiring" of his own on ol' Johnnie.
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