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Not knowing the meaning of "rhetorical": Moses was held back from Canaan for striking a rock (which then split open and became a spring) rather than simply waving his staff over it as he was instructed.
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God's a stickler for instructions. Pretty anal of him.
I dont even look at instructions on electronics or model kits. Think that'll count against me?
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Well, when some guy touched the Ark of the Covenant (accidentally, I seem to recall), Yahweh killed his ass with a lightning bolt. So, yeah, you may be in trouble.
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Not knowing the meaning of "rhetorical": Moses was held back from Canaan for striking a rock (which then split open and became a spring) rather than simply waving his staff over it as he was instructed.
He was instructed to talk to the rock, and instead struck it twice. It's also arguable that the actual problem with what he did was telling the people, "You keep whining! Must _I_ now bring forth water from this rock?" or words to that effect. Claiming credit == bad.
As for the guy touching the ark to keep it from falling, they were transporting the ark in an unacceptable manner in the first place, from what I recall.
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Moses herad voices that told him to talk to rocks. Rocks. So Moses hit the rock twice and queered the deal for the promised land.
There was no promised land for Moses or his followers because he and they were crazy as fuck.
Man, the middle-East sure brews some zealotry.
NOW comes the lightning, I should think.
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Now comes the whole fucking biblical armageddon. B)
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Actually, his disobeying orders and stealing the ship allowed him to both command the original one last time and get command (just a short time later for him) of another- new version- of his old Enterprise.
My point was that Spock did not pay for being returned to life.
But Spock didn't ask for this to happen. Kirk and co. did it, for him and for McCoy.
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It's still silly nad with almost zero reprecusions for the main cast: there would have been no place for David's character in future movies anyway.
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Specifically, the zapped in question was reaching out to steady the Ark after the cart it was on hit a bump. (Demonstrating, so the story intends us to understand, a lack of faith in the ability of God to handle his own affairs.)
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: It isn't just David's death that may be looked on as "payment" for Spock's resurrection, it's also the destruction of the Enterprise. Remember, that ship was Kirk's one true love, and he sacrificed first his future command of her and ultimately the the old girl herself for his friend.
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Or...
Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise and its crew. Kirk sacrificed his career to recover Spock. Kirks son sacrificed himself to save Spock. Kirk sacrificed the Enterprise to save his crew.
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So three of four possible sacrifices are just bullshit two movies later.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Specifically, the zapped in question was reaching out to steady the Ark after the cart it was on hit a bump. (Demonstrating, so the story intends us to understand, a lack of faith in the ability of God to handle his own affairs.)
So God wont take a helping hand for his box of rocks from the faithful?
Add "control freak" to his list of neurosis.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: It's still silly nad with almost zero reprecusions for the main cast: there would have been no place for David's character in future movies anyway.
Yes, but in the context of this universe, Kirk didn't lose a "potentially recurring character. He lost his son. And that did have repurcussions in STVI.
David's death and the Enterprise's destruction were punishment for what he did. The Enterprise-A was reward for the crew selflessly risking their own lives to save Earth. It's a seperate thing, really.
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"Specifically, the zapped in question was reaching out to steady the Ark after the cart it was on hit a bump. (Demonstrating, so the story intends us to understand, a lack of faith in the ability of God to handle his own affairs.)"
So, doesn't that pretty well negate a lot of the laws set down in the same texts? I mean, surely Yahweh could find his own animals to slaughter, burn, and sniff at, rather than needing people to sacrifice them.
Also, if the guy had let the ark fall over, Yahweh probably would have zapped them all for allowing his precious box get jostled. So he was probably screwed from the start.
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