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Spock got his brain scrambled a bit for two whole movies before he was his old self....and then lived to a ripe old age of forever. He paid for squat.
No, but Kirk and company went into it fully expecting to lose their careers, at the very least. As of the end of TSFS, they got Spock back, but they very much paid for it. TVH is what reset the status quo.
And Thirdspace pisses me off in general. How many different alien species do we really need that come swarming out of a giant hole in space with bad attitudes, no interest in talking, absurdly advanced tech, and the sole motivation of "KILL EVERYONE" in big glowing neon letters? Thirdspace, Shivans, 8472, Nephilim, Derrivas... DO SOMETHING INTERESTING, PEOPLE!
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Chaos vs control is the battle to control the forces of light vs dark. The shadows lost all of their sensibility and turned dark while focusing on chaos. The vorlons did the same [though probably a little later than the shadows]. Both turned dark/evil because they lost their balance between chaos and control.
The reason that the younger races [predominantly Humans and Mimbari] became dominate was because they learned to balance chaos and control, while the Vorlons and Shadows [their guardians] had lost it. Because of this, upon Lorien telling them, they realized that their balance had been lost and they were no longer needed to guide the younger races in achieving balance.
So simple... after that chaos and control's balance was the tool of the Alliance to defeat the Drakh.
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Isn't the generally accepted idea of "what B5 would have been like if Sinclair had stayed and JMS is a big fat lair regarding this" that the series would have ended with Sinclair going to the past for the final episode (probably in an episode that took bits from "Sleeping in Light" and "War Without End")? If so, he would have "payed" for things even less than Sheridan did, since he wouldn't have died.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: If you mean David's death, that's silly. David paid for his botching the Genesis project (I wonder if Kirk ever bothered to tell carol?). Biiiiig deal.
It wasn't Spock that payed for coming back to life though, it was Kirk. Spock didn't (thematically) have to pay for anything, since it wasn't his choice. It was Kirk who decided to go and get him back, and therefore Kirk had to be the one to get "punished" for his essentially selfish action. David got punished for messing around with protomatter, but Kirk got punished by having his son killed.
As for Sheridan, it strikes me that Delenn is really the one who suffers in that. She spends her life falling and being in love with a man who is going to die in 20 years, when she's likely to live (and does live) for a good other 100 years. While everyone else at the end of Sleeping In Light is better off, she's worse off. She never gets over Sheridan's death, and spends the second half of her life grieving. That can't be good.
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I suppose if you REALLY wanted to stretch it, you could say she saved him by being the one thing he had worth living for, but had to pay for it. But that's stretching it.
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The whole "Moses barred from entering the Promised Land" kind of ending does seem to be popular, doesn't it? Sheridan, Sisko, Sam Beckett. . . And come to think of it, why couldn't Moses enter Israel anyway?
quote:Originally posted by Lee: The whole "Moses barred from entering the Promised Land" kind of ending does seem to be popular, doesn't it? Sheridan, Sisko, Sam Beckett. . . And come to think of it, why couldn't Moses enter Israel anyway?
Tom Ridge had him on a watch-list.
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It isn't just David's death that may be looked on as "payment" for Spock's resurrection, it's also the destruction of the Enterprise. Remember, that ship was Kirk's one true love, and he sacrificed first his future command of her and ultimately the the old girl herself for his friend.
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Actually, his disobeying orders and stealing the ship allowed him to both command the original one last time and get command (just a short time later for him) of another- new version- of his old Enterprise.
My point was that Spock did not pay for being returned to life.
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