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So many possibilities to work with (the Earth-Romulan War, the missions of the Enterprise-B or C, other ships' experiences during the Dominion War, DS9 or Voyager after season 7, the missions of the Titan, etc.) and this is what they choose? Even if the movie were done well, what would it really add to the Star Trek universe? I personally wouldn't mind a movie based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers series of e-books.
However, since this movie is supposed to include some of Kirk and Spock's initial space adventures, perhaps they'll use this opportunity to make some of the starships from Franz Joseph's Starfleet Technical Manual (e.g., the scout and dreadnaught class ships) canon. Or, perhaps, as in today's navy, they'll show that Starfleet cadets are trained in older ship classes. I wouldn't mind seing a Daedalus-class starship.
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Mee-owww. Someone got some spice in their lower GI tract.
If this were my movie, I'd have it be the lady-killer Kirk sorting out that there's more to life than nailing everything with plausibly compatible genetalia. Kirk getting shook-up a bit, realizing he's gonna have to work for utopia.
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quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Well, I for one am cautiously optimistic
"The new film will be a prequel to the original Star Trek series, featuring younger versions of characters like James T. Kirk and Spock. The movie will chronicle events such as their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and their first mission into outer space."
...and their first date, and...
This is a horrid idea. What's more, bitch all you want, Berman and Braga protected Trek from many worse Hollywood hacks.
I can see it now: Collin Farrel as Kirk and Jack Black as Spock...
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I was flicking around the channels the other night, came across The Faculty. Literally hours after suggesting Josh Hartnett as Spock. It'll work, I tell you, he has the timbre of voice, the right look. . . Matt Damon as McCoy? Hmm. . .
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: MMOM: Not that I don't agree with everything you've stated (I do), but do you seriously believe J.J. Abrams or whatever the hell his name is will give two shits about any of that? Or Paramount? They want to make a movie that will make a lot of money. They're not going to care about continuity.
While I'm not overly mad on this idea, proclaiming this movie to be worse than having one testicle removed and the other infected with AIDS seems a bit over the top. While "great storytelling" doesn't necessarily equal box office success, having a bad movie will do them no favours what so ever.
"They're not going to care about continuity."
They'll care about it as much as they have to. Slightly fudging the dates Spock entered the academy is fine. On the other hand, if they have Dominion joining with the Borg to try and wipe out Starfleet before they finish making peace with the Cardassians, then I will be annoyed.
They won't though.
Really.
"They want to make a movie that will make a lot of money."
The absolute bastards. I hope they burn in hell for that.
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So they'll have the Romulans and Klingons and Borg working together instead.. I fear that much of what was shown on Enterprise will get scrapped somehow.
I liked Enterprise.
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How much can they screw things up? We're talking about a time period roughly one-hundred years after ENT. What's to scrap?
Klingons would be fine. Cardassians would be fine. Romulans would not be, but I don't think we have to worry about that after NEM.
The decade immediately preceeding TOS is, just as the 2150s were, one that we know very little about, continuity-wise. The fact that we're going to focus on KIRK and SPOCK, already well-established characters from Trek's heyday, represents from the get-go a solid anchor in the extant franchise. I see this as a positive thing.
Will there be a lot of ENT Season Four-style fanwankery? Almost definitely not. Will there be some minor retconning? Quite possibly, just as there has been on every single new Trek project in the past. This is not an inherently negative thing.
I don't understand how people can be so pessimistic so early in the process. What do we even know yet? Really, only that it will feature young Kirk and Spock having their first meeting and space mission together and that all new people will be behind its production. I guess I'm in the minority, but to me it sounds as if we're starting off on the right foot.
-MMoM
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For the record, I thoroughly enjoyed ENT Season Four and its fanwankery. Continuity porn for its own sake, however, is not the way to make a successful film or to reinvigorate the public's interest in Trek. The basic premise of this film seems to be a compromise that holds much potential. Fans who are already familiar with the franchise will have plenty to interest them, and those who aren't will find an ideal point of entry.
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I'd be happy with the overall concept if A.) it were not some "academy" thing. too much chance for it becoming "Star Trek: Saved by the Bell"
B.) it used new or undeveloped characters. We all know Kirk, Spock and McCoy ad naseum and their sendoff in STVI was nice closure.
How about Pike as the lead (in an instructor role prior to the mission shown in The Cage) with new characters and possibly Sulu (or someone) familiar in a minor role?
Less cheesy by far than a "this is how they all became pals" movie.
Continuity wise, they could easily do a story thing with a bunch of familliar races (not Cardassians)- as long as they dont do something dunb like say that humans First Contact was with the Bolians or that humans and Klingons are pals or something that obviously changes things.
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My objections would be the same that came up with B5's In The Beginning: "If most of them met up before they were on the station, WHY DID NO ONE REMEMBER ANYONE ELSE?!?"
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Kirk and Spock were already friends when we first saw them together in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (TOS). And who said anything about McCoy? Certainly not either of those TrekToday articles.
As someone above stated, the Academy is merely a location; furthermore, it's quite a plausible one for Kirk and Spock's first meeting. And from the sound of things, it won't be the focus of the entire film:
"The movie will chronicle events such as their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and their first mission into outer space."
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There isn't anything ever said about how Kirk knew Spock, or McCoy. I've always found that a little odd. I mean, considering how much dramatic and thematic weight was put on their various interactions. Complicated or detailed backstory wasn't really the style at the time, or so it seems to my decadent modern eyes, granted, but you'd think someone would have dropped it into one of the films. Or something.
(Anyway, shouldn't everyone be excited about Abrams just from his 47 credentials alone? ((OK, not necessarily his specifically.)))
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