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quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
No-one said anything about a vacuum cleaner.

The point is that, even though our space is almost entirely vacuum, we still live in pockets of atmosphere. So, if fluidic space is almost entirely some "fluid", the beings living there may still live in pockets of a different atmospehere.

Like a giant, planet sized fart bubble?
Or big hollow planets ala Yonada?

If they're from empty expanses of atmosphere (like a gas giant) then they wouldn't have legs, indeed they would look more like those flying things from "Equinox".
The hollow planet might be an option and it would explain their funny looking eyes to some degree.
Still the basic arrangement of Species 8472 is still that of a humanoid with and extra leg and slightly altered proportions (two necks, small waist funny looking chest cavity) not quite alien enough to be from another dimension...then again nether are those beings that cut off Riker's arm and stuck it back one, I forget the episode name.

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Excellent. All of this reminds me of an amusing quote from Futurama.

Leela: "Depth at 4500 feet, 4800, 5000. Five thousand feet!"
Farnsworth: "Dear lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure."
Fry: "How many atmospheres can the ship withstand ?"
Farnsworth: "Well, it's a spaceship, so I'd say anything between 0 and 1."

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The Tholians would have to have arms or laser eyes to cut that door in Future Tense

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Or squads of combat robots. Or a unique empathy with airlock doors, such that the door was willing to throw itself off its hinges.
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Metaphorically speaking.
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Or else they hired Stormtroopers... [Wink]

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Im about 5 days behind and I did some serious skimming, and I've noticed that no one mentioned the Sheliak. Aren't they some sort of crystilline or rock or silicon-based species or something of the sort?

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Reverend
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No they're just described as being Non-humanoid although the one that was seen was portrayed by a typical "Bloke in Dodgy Monster SuitTM"...which looked humanoid enough if you ask me.

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Er, the Sheliak we saw looked pretty much like an undifferentiated mass, or so it has always appeared to me.
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It was a bloke in a suit, you can tell by the way it moved.
Anyway, the encyclopedia calls the Sheliak a "Classification R-3 Lifeform" and is "...vaguely humanoid" so make of that what you will.

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Guess I just always thought of the Sheliak as a rock or magma creature, but then again, why would its ship be constructed the way it was with the interior enviornment able to sustain humans.
I guess it is because they always reminded me of the rock creature from "the Savage Curtain".

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Well, yes, obviously it was a guy in a suit. In fact, once upon a time I thought it was a reuse of the Armus suit. But my point is it hardly has proper arms or legs (not that we ever really see its legs), or a head, for that matter.

As for the environment they prefer, remember that the planet they wanted to colonize was, with the exception of being bathed in deadly radiation, habitable by humans. It would seem the Sheliak are fond of oxygen and roughly one gravity as well, or at least these things present no inconvenience to them.

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Actually I was debating my own theory of them being rock creatures aloud.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sol System:
Or squads of combat robots. Or a unique empathy with airlock doors, such that the door was willing to throw itself off its hinges.

Tholians live in unbearable heat and thrive in hard radiation.....mabye they were just hosing the door after several Miller Lites.
...or they really need to trade some of their nifty weapons tech for a good blowtorch.


As to the Shelliac: are they bugs or what?
I think the Jarada were supposed to be bugs too but that thread, sadly, is lost to time now....

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I should have an old TNG-novel somwhere dealing with the Jarada. I think they were even pictured on the cover.

8472: The guy from Unimatrix Zero (Axus, Axun, whatever) said his cube was patrolling fluidic space at the edge of the beta quadrant. The line didn't make much sense (the common Voyager-pseudo-continuity-line), but it may lead us to reconcider the overall "shape" of the 8472-dimension (besides that, they can exist in a vacuum, why shouldn't they be able to exist in fluidic space, too? Maybe their 'home - whatever it may be - inside the FS is also covered by green slime. If they have to move - swim - through it, they could have some sort of "wings" or fins inside pockets in their body. Like birds. You wouldn't guess they have large wings until you see them.

Sheliak: Some offspring of the Excalibans? [Smile]

Tholians: I prefer the crystal-without-arms-and-legs-version. Do you remember the image of the heavy exo-suit from the TNGTM? If there are any arms, they are pobably just manipulators of some sort, nothing "natural". In this case, of course, the whole tholian appearance could be one suit. Maybe they are xenophobic because they are weak and vulnerable without their suits.

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