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From what I can see, the Academy is on the Sausalito (Marin County) side of the bridge.

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That would put it close to Skywalker Division, famous builders of the Olympic-class [Wink]

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I'm pretty sure the Academy's on the Presidio side, too, but west of the Golden Gate.

Actually, I think a nice aerial view of the Presidio complex would be quite nifty. In "In the Flesh" we saw a pretty substantial CGI view of the entire area... might that model still be punting about on a CD somewhere?

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There is a shot of the Terrasphere model in the fact files, its not hugely detaled but it does depict a number of buildings, including the piramid shapes ones seen in that Harry Kim alternate timeline jobbie (are they real? I'm not familiar with today's San Fransisco skyline).
One thing I will note however, it only has one side of the Goldengate Bridge. I also recall seeing an arial map of the area in Dominion Headquarters, but I assume all the labeling was in Cardassian or Dominion.

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IIRC, the map from "The Changing Face of Evil" showed little demarcations (presumably representing damage) all over the SF Bay area, but (surprisingly, perhaps) most of them seemed to be in the Oakland area. That isn't to say that the Presidio wasn't shown to be hit; I'm pretty sure it was, but so was Sausalito and Marin County, and then south of San Francisco towards San Jose. No word on whether the Charles Capps Childhood Home National Historic Site got nicked by an errant torpedo.

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Here is a map of the area incase anyone would like to fill in where they think the starfleet & fed buildings are.

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[edited to fix link -TSN]

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Ok, gang, I'd like to hear your thoughts on another topic.

What are some good, 'unseen' events specifically relating to the Borg, Klingons and Romulans?

Wolf 359 and Narendra III are two obvious examples. The first war between the Federation and Romulans is another.

What else?


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Off the top of my head, I'd say the biggest fan-fave with regards to the Romulans would be the relatively cataclismic "Tomed Incident." It's pretty much open season as to what it might actually have been, but you could work in some nice movie-era (or later) ships and stimulate sperm counts from coast to coast.

On a Klingonny note, how about Klaang's shuttle being chased by the Suliban minutes before it checked into Farmer Moore's cornfield in "Broken Bow"?

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The Battle of Klach D'kel Bracht was mentioned in 'Blood Oath' as being a Klingon Romulan conflict (im not sure actually) that Kor was involved in. The era would be between TOS and the Movies too i think , to use some old tech

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I suggest:

--the Borg assimilation of Arturis' people
--the Borg-induced scattering of the El-Aurians
--the Klingon invasion fleet over Organia (mmm..Klingon troop transports)
--a Klingon welcoming ceremony for the return of Kahless (ground or space based)
--the Romulan Senate (something I've always liked to see)
--the arrival of the first anti-logic Vulcans at what will become Romulus

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How about some footage from the running battle that proceeded First Contact? Seems the Defiant was pretty chewed by the opening scenes. The intercepted com messages that Picard and Friends listen to could spark some ideas.

As for the Romulans: I second the Tomed Incident. No on knows what happened there so it's basicly open season.

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Hmmmm funny y'all should mention the Tomed Incident, I was considering that. If I remember correctly, this was a bloody conflict that resulted in the Treaty of Algeron. It left thousands dead on both sides.

I imagine it would have to have something to do with cloaking devices.

As far as Klach T'Kel Bracht, I belive it was said to be a famous Klingon victory over the Romulans.

The FC Battle is a good idea, but Wolf 359 is pretty much going to cover the Borg/Fed warzone.

Klingons over Organia? Already have a temp image of that :-)

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quote:
Originally posted by Mojo:

I imagine it would have to have something to do with cloaking devices.



The LAST UNICORN STAR TREK RPG I play list the Tomed Incident as a Romulan attack on a Federation base that they suspected was the hotbed of Fed cloak technology. They attacked it, and several cloaked Fed ships showed up to defend it.

Non-canon to the max, but still an intresting angle

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Well, if you're looking for Borg and Romulan "unseen" stuff, I'd like to see something about the Borg attacks on the Romulan Neutral Zone outposts mentioned in "The Neutral Zone." After all, it was the first sign the Borg were in local space. And I'd like to see some mention of how the Romulans handled the Borg invasions of the Federation. After all, most maps put the Romulan Empire in-between the Federation and the Delta Quadrant. Do they give Starfleet a heads-up if they detect a cube on the way?

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I'd say they'd give a 'heads up' if the Cube or what ever shape was passing through their space - but as we saw in BOBW - re Wolf 359 the cube came from the other direction!

To be brutally honest, Mojo - we don't REALLY know much about the Romulans OR the Borg...

I'd like to see a Romulan ship from the movies era... and the Enterprise C era... I've got to say they CAN NOT be the same as the Warbirds we see in TNG/DS9/Voy.

How about some scenes of the Obsidian Order/Tal Shi'ar decimation by the Dominion from "The Die Is Cast" - of course there'd be the little Deffie flitting in an out around there.

How about a really cool clear shot of the scene in "The Neutral Zone" with the extra large Warbird...

Oh Oh or a scene from that 'report' in Best of Both Worlds where 30 Warbirds were amassing along the Neutral Zone!

What about a Borg ship assimilating a Kazon ship - but then getting really pissed off at what they had just assimilated - realising it just decreased their collective IQ by about 50! ;o)

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