There has to be some kind of tit-for-tat involved in this situation, because if there were a Romulan attack on a Federation outpost, that would merely justify the Federation's research in cloaking devices, by putting Starfleet on par with Romulan ships -- which have always had a serious leg up thanks to the cloak.
I believe that the Tomed Incident involves a territorial dispute. Consider that when the Earth-Romulan War was concluded in 2160, the treaty authors would not have divided up the entire galaxy, they'd just have drawn a line in local space to separate the two powers.
But as both sides expanded, they got past the edge of the neutral zone, and the two sides came into contact again. There might have been some sort of interim agreement which extended the end of the NZ in a straight line, but after about 50 or 100 light-years, the border could get very fuzzy.
Anyway, I believe that the Federation received the territory in question, in exchange for their promise not to use cloaking devices.
The Tomed Incident would merely be the bloodiest battle that was fought over this territory around 2311. (I'm thinking that this could have been nearly a minor war, before the treaty was arranged and the Romulans went into isolation.)
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Here's a really cool idea for an image: we saw the interior of the Borg cube's hangar bay in "Collective," when the Delta Flyer got swallowed.
What if you showed a bunch of Federation ships captured in the hangar bay? You could say that the image was recovered from a Starfleet marker buoy inside the wreckage of the Borg cube in Earth orbit. (From the end of "The Best of Both Worlds.")
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And at organia we should see Klingon scouts that are similar to birds-of-prey, but show less Romulan design influence (less birdlike wings, no feather painting, less 'green', etc).. perhaps show the one that was destroyed by Enterprise (it was just an animated blob)
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- Re: Post-movie era Romulan ships: Well, I'm going to need SOMETHING to attack Narendra III now, aren't I? ;-)
- Interesting, I don't remember that line about 30 Romulan Warbirds in BOBW. Where was it?
- Tell me more about the Klingon blur ship! Was it actually mentioned in the show as a different class vessel? And I assume it was the ship that the Enterprise destroyed in the beginning of the episode... it would be nice to have a pre-movie Bird of Prey...
- I've been toying with the idea of showing a Borg Cube in a Tholian Web. I just have that image stuck in my head :-)
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I think the only description of that Klingon vessel was "scout," so it could presumably be whatever one wants it to be.
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Just now another fanboyish dream came to mind: I want to see Olympic hospital ships! I don't care how and where, as long as I can see that beautiful design !
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Regarding the 30 Romulan ships in BOBW, there was no such reference. Hanson's line was to the effect that "The Klingons are sending warships. Hell, we've even thought of opening up talks with the Romulans". There is no implication that the Romulans ever sent ships, nor that the Klingon fleet arrived at Wolf 359 in time to help. Some people seem to think that the 39 ships lost at Wolf 359 include some Klingon ships, but there's no evidence to prove it and it's generaly regarded as fanboy hopefulness.
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Actually, the images in "Unity" suggest that there were Klingon BoPs @ W359. I'm sure it could be interpreted otherwise if you really wanted to, though.
As for the Tomed Incident, I would say that it couldn't possibly be a simple Romulan attack. The Feds must have been doing something they shouldn't have (or it must have seemed that way, and they couldn't disprove it). Otherwise, they wouldn't have given in to a concession like a complete lack of cloaking devices forever.
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quote:originally posted by Mojo: Re: Post-movie era Romulan ships: Well, I'm going to need SOMETHING to attack Narendra III now, aren't I?
Thank you, thank you, thank you. In both fan artwork and novels, people seem to have the impression that the ships which attacked both Narendra III and Khitomer were D'Deridex class, when that's blatantly not the case.
Minor ST:X spoilers ahead... $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ Although I'm itching to see what this new Scimitar warbird looks like, I'm also interested in what a post-movie era Romulan ship would look like. Would it be a pure Romulan design, or would it have Klingon design throwbacks from when the Romulans were using Klingon designs?
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-The Klingon Blur Scout was only seen as a glowing silhouette...checkout this thread
-As for the Post-movie era Romulan ships, there are a few rather nice looking designs on the computer game "Klingon Academy" you might want the thieve one of them for the occasion, or just build one similar.
-I think the line about "30 Romulan ships" was from "All Good things"
-As for what the Tomed was about...what if it involved another one of Starfleet’s little renegade Admirals using a federation, or a captured romulan cloak installed in a prototype ship, causing general mayhem and destruction. In the end Starfleet could have been forced to hunt him/her down. It would be a nice change to have Starfleet doing the attacking for a change, also it would explain why the federation promised not to develop cloaking technology any further and why the romulans went all secretive and isolationist.
-I agree, the Klingons could very well been at Wolf 359 at some point, there was defiantly shots of exploding klingons against a borg cube and we know that many have been assimilated. (Unity, Infinite Regress, Unimatrix One)
-One thing that I wouldn't mind seeing is the Battle of Maxia. Does anyone think that the Ferengi ship was a D'Kora-Class? Given that Picard should have recognised the configuration later on in "The Last Outpost" & "The Battle". I feel another "new" design coming on ;-)
I admit that the dialogue indicates that Klingons *could* have been at W359. It's just that the graveyeard scene doesn't conclusively support it, and I'm fairly certain that the episode wasn't supposed to show it that way. The footage in "Unity" is of course stock footage reuse, which could have been from anywhere.
But if Klingon ships are to be present, I would like at least some passing explanation as to why we don't see 'em in the graveyeard or battle scenes. One reason was that there were so few of them in the first place - less than, say, five or so could be easily lost in the mess. That, or they simply were blown to unidentifyable chunks of scrap. This would make sense with the smaller ships like BoPs, as we didn't see many (if any) "small" (Miranda-sized) ships in the graveyard scene.
Also, if you included D7/K'tinga class ships in the mix, you'd get around the problem of why we didn't see any green-coloured scrap in the mix. Grey Klingon ships mix better with the carnage.
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