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Just to be contrary, I must point out that a rescue ship *could* have arrived at that point already, even if we weren't shown its arrival...
Anyhow, if there is a Sydney-thing stored aboard the saucer, then the internal structure of the main bay has to be different from the blueprints - else the Sydney-barge couldn't get out, or would block the entranceway.
Alternately, the barge only emerges through the sunroof, not through the aft door of the bay.
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It's an Executive Shuttle, not a Sydney Class that was ontop of the saucer.
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A Sydney-class starship would figure more than half length of the Galaxy's saucer.. I'd hate to see one of those land and squish all the people, androids and cats on the surface of the saucer.
I just saw the scene and I think the perfect topping to Generations would be showing all the people walking around the saucer, then pull back to show the Apes spying them through binoculars saying "Shit.. there goes the neighborhood..."
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Did that scene even appear in the film? I don't remember seeing any shuttles on the saucer before the rescue ships came...
Could be wrong though. But it might just be a publicity still?
BTW, (and no, I'm not trying to argue for the ridiculous notion that the Exec Shuttle and the Sydney are the same size, but all the same I'm curious...) what ever was used to determine the Sydney's size? IIRC, the only thing considered were the nacelles, making an assumption that they were the same scale as the Connie and Miranda. However, as seen with ships like the Curry, this may not always be the case...
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Um.. the nacelles are correctly scaled with the Constitution refit bridge module. Pretty much all the refurbishing was done from the Miranda mold (or a Miranda model anyway). Besides those two obvious features (unless you'd rather argue that it was just a similarly shaped scaled-bridge), we also have a partial deck count based on the many windows Mr. Jein put on the model.
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The bridge module on the real sydney is not exactly the Constitution one, but a more rounded docking port-less modification, perhaps closer to the Excelsior version. It does help establish the scale, though.
And there is a flight control station just above the cavernous shuttlebay at the stern. If we don't want to suppose that Starfleet uses Balok and his First Federation friends exclusively for manning this facility, we get a minimum size for the ship. And that size is in agreement with the idea that those are Constitution nacelles.
The "Sydney-thing", aka the "executive shuttle", is more elusive size-wise, but the saucertop scenes would suggest a 20m craft or a bit larger - roughly on par with Danube runabouts. Perhaps this is the preceding generation of runabouts?
Is the "shuttle" capable of warp? The model has two tucked-in and rear-facing silver-painted Galaxy ramscoops under its hindquarters, which one could interpret as analogous to those silver hemispheres at the aft ends of NCC-1701 and TOS shuttle nacelles. So perhaps the "shuttle" has inboard warp nacelles.
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Easy - they didn't have the power to open the door. So they simply transported all the shuttles out. As we know, a transporter runs on a hand phaser battery if necessary.
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Ok, then the larger Executive Shuttles came where?
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There was only one, and i'm betting it coudla fit inside shuttlebay three. We've never seen the third bay in its entirety, unless you're counting the blueprints.
Anyway, I think we're arguing a moot point here - I'm almost certain that the scan doesn't represent the final shot seen in the movie. Among reasons, there's no one visible on the saucer. Does anyone have a DVD to at least review against this scan? I'm under the impression that this is some sort of interm or test shot done at ILM while they're figuring out how to blow up the planet.
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I seem to recall seeing the shuttles on saucer scene when Generations was on TV (Fox I think). But maybe it was just the regular shuttles. I can't remember now.
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