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That's true! The Ent-D has been refered to as the best ship in the fleet (or something like that) several times, even by the Borg.
I agree that we cannot asume that the Enterprise-E is the only Sovereign around just because it is refered to as 'the most advanced'.
I think you can best compare this with Formula 1 racing: All the drivers of a team get about the same car, but the most promising driver gets the latest and best parts, while the other(s) have to do with lesser parts. In Star Trek: There are more Sovereign class ships around, but the Enterprise gets the best equipment (first). Which makes it the most advanced ship...
See what I mean?
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Maybe they refeer to the Enterprise as the best because it was the first Sovereign and it has an experianced Crew and a Good Captain . Any way i still maintain that there is still only one Sovereign , of course there are most likley more under construction but only one in active service that being the Enterprise.
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One fact you all are overlooking: As of seaseon 6 of Voyager, the Enterprise-E is in service for 4 years. And they still haven't got another Sovereign class out there...? I find that VERY hard to believe!
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The Ent-E isn't necessarily the only Sovereign but it does seem odd that the Ent-E was launched only a little over a year after the Ent-D was destroyed. Could they really have built such an advanced vessel during that time? Or was the Ent-E originally destined to be called something else?
Something else - I just noticed today that the Sovereign-class hasn't even got a single phaser array on the aft half of the ship. In fact there's only one array on the entire secondary hull. Seems like a design flaw to me - something that enemy vessels could take advantage of.
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Per Dhunter's theory, it takes six years to make a service-ready Sovvy, and SF wouldn't have started production on any more until the first one was built.
I have a number of problems with this theory, though. First and foremost, it would be highly irregular for SF to rename the class prototype. I'll grant that SF has been known to rename (and in the case of the Ent-A, re-rego) ships. However, I think it's much more likely that the Sovereign-class had already gone into full production and that SF decided the next hull that was finished would receive the name Enterprise.
The biggest remaining problem I have is why each Sovvy would have to spend over a year in testing. Obviously, the USS Sovereign would have undergone some rigorous testing, especially if it was an experimental (NX) design. I would think that any built after that point would only undergo a shakedown cruise, though--a quick jaunt around the system, pick up the quantorps and the last of the crew on Tuesday, and then it's off to wherever SFNC wants to send it.
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Re: No further ships built until AFTER Prototype completed...
We know this to be false, at least so says the TNGTM. While the USS Galaxy was under construction, at LEAST the Yamato and E-D were also being built. Says so in the Construction Chronology section. The 2 batches of 6...
Why people always have to come up with convuluted explainations to things is beyond me... Of course the E-E was a Sovereign Class under construction that was renamed upon completion. To suggest that they'd rename the Class ship is ludicrous, that would make Sovereign Class the Enterprise Class, and we know that's not the case.
And seeing how the Galaxy Class was built in a first batch of 6, the Intrepid rumoured to be a first batch of 4, and all the ships in a batch are completed within a couple years of each other, I'd say it's very realistic to say there's 4-6 Sovereigns in service. And THEN, considering the war and the rush to finish ships, you could even say that there'd be maybe even 10 or so Sovereigns out there...
Barring the loss of any ships in the war, etc, of course.
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"Of course the E-E was a Sovereign Class under construction that was renamed upon completion."
Unless it didn't have a previous name in the first place.
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Not all ships spend a year in testing but such large ships like Sovs and Galaxies take time to get used to , also most Captains and Engineers like to configure their ships differantly so I imagine that would take some time and then a couple of months of contenues warp travel to test out the drive then a month of testing the sensors and the like its basicly the same as what the US Navy puts its ships through Recently i watched a documentery on the construction of the USS Harry Truman , the US's newest Aircraft Carrier , they said that when the Carrier was seaworthy , not complete but sea worthy they would send it on sea trials for 2 months to test out all its systems and finish some of the intallations at sea , maybe that is what SF does , they send out the ship with all it needs to Fly to test out its core systems that way if theres a problem they can catch it before they pour more time and resources into the other systems then if that went off right they install the rest of the stuff and then test that , then as the last step they send her out for a final test and to give a chance for the crew to get used to the ship. this might take 7-8 months , the other 4 months would probley have the ship showing itself off on Earth and Stuff then it would receive its first orders.
Case in point , the USS Enterprise-B left spacedock incomplete , maybe it was going to start its teasting mission after it droped off Kirk and the rest at the end of its christening.
Also id like to say that The Vorlon does have a point , their could be more Sovereigns by now but not 10 maybe 3 - 4 at the most if anything the Dominion War might have slowed production of the Sovereign , Sovs are very valnarble to a large fleet of small fighter types , for example if you walk through a bunch a Gnats (Those little bugs that get stuck on your windsheild) they annoy the hell out of you some get in your mouth, others your nose , now imagine those Gnats as Ships with Phasers and your the Sov , sure you could smack some off but the remaining ones would have already caused the damage , The way i think of it Starfleet would have slowed production of the Sov and opted to use those resources to build more defiants and other small ships like that to fight the Jem Hadar Attack ships.
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Why is always assumed that a larger ship will always fall victim to the smaller ones? The only reason the Odyssey got whacked was because Starfleet hadn't found a way to modify their shield against phased polaron weapons. The fact that ships are only as good as their targeting package seems to be lost on many people. In the episode where the Defiant got boarded didn't a Jem'Hadar fix some targeting deficiency in the weapon systems? I bet those targeting updates were passed to every ship in the fleet, and that explains the Galaxy's success in hitting Jem'Hadar attack ships in the DS9 final.
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I didnt mean that the ship would be destroyed , i meant that the small vessels could inflict enough damage to render a large ship like that inoperative for a while , But the sovereign class does have some design flaws that would make destruction possible . For example the rear of the Sovereign is very lightly defended in a scenerio where the sheilds are gone , if a ship was to come up close from behind Sovreign , it would only be facing a lone photon torpedo laucnher and certain angles the phaser arrays which if fired and the Attacker is destroyed , the shockwave and explosion would damage the sovs hull and produce several fractures , depending on how the explosion occured and if the sov does not fire it will be destroyed , if it moves and the attacker is able to stay on it the sov ship will still be in harms way , and even if it can wiggle out it would still be in harms way so my thoery of the smaller ships being able to take larger ones is only intended towards the Sov Class not the Galaxy Class .
In the end more of the small ships would have been destroyed but their goal would have been achieved , they put one of the Feds largest vessels in Spacedock for months for extensive repairs or in worst case scenerio the ship would have been a total loss .
1 ship alone cant do this but if a squadron of 6 or 7 Jem Hadar Attack ships could do it with maybe 3 or 4 going down .
and in another Scenerio , if a Romulan Warbird were to decloak from behind the ship , it would have a great advantage in the battle to come , the Enterprise would take the first hits which would bring the sheilds down alot if the Romulan ship gets in some good hits and can keep the Sov from coming about to bear its Quantum Torpedo Launcher , the Romulan would have the upper hand .
Of Course this is all supposing the ships get to the right place at the right time and the Smaller ships can get the sheilds low enough.
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What's all this business about Sovs needing a year of testing? According to the real plaque the Ent-E was launched 49827.5 and First Contact was 50893.5. Now, Geordi said that they had been "out in space nearly a year". To me this suggests that they spent about a month testing the ship.
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By year i dont mean a Complete year maybe 6 - 7 months.
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Being the resident commanding officer of a Sovereign-class, I'd like to offer my 2 cents.
I would speculate that there are at LEAST 3, perhaps 4 Sovereign-class ships out there. Here's what we know (and can speculate on the names of the other ships):
USS Sovereign NX-74222 (likely NCC by now) USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E USS Avalon (ok, I made this one up for a story) USS Doesn't get a name or reg number until Tuesday
COMMON SENSE: No way was the Big Sov renamed Enterprise. It IS the Sovereign-class after all, not the Enterprise-class.
If you want to know about those stories of mine, which feature at least one Sovereign-class a story, let me know.
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