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Palpy's face is not messed up during his appearances as Sideous in the previous episodes. There are production shots of him in the hood with clearer lighting, and his face is just his normal appearance. That doesn't mean the character doesn't looked twisted under the hood, it just means the actor wasn't wearing twisted makeup at the time.
The only problems I remember having with McGregor's performance was during the discovery of the security recordings. That scene had zero emotional impact for me. The "You were the chosen one" speech was good, I thought.
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This may help with R2-D2's not being mindwiped as well, but, who KNOWS that Anakin has become Darth Vader? Even if Yoda and Kenobi don't know his new name (can't remember if they heard it or not), they certainly made the connection. Everyone else may assume that Vader is a new Sith that came along and killed Anakin along with the others.
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Bail Organa would certainly have been told that Anakin became Palpatine's new apprentice, whether they know his name yet or not. Kenobi and Yoda may also end this movie believing that Anakin is dead. For all Kenobi knows, he went up like a match. Eventually, rumors would get around to them about the Emperor's new man in black. Kenobi certainly knows who he is in Ep 4.
This brings up the question of how much do people know about the Emperor's tie to the Sith? The Imperial officers seem to know that Vader is a Sith Lord, but they also treat Force abilities with minor disdain. "Sorceror's ways". It seems unlikely that the Emperor woudl reveal his connection with a notedly evil group while trying to secure power. And noone really knew of his playing both sides in the war except Dooku, even Anakin didn't.
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True. But Artoo isn't that kind of droid. Free will and all that. He does what he's told - and I'm willing at some point he was told not to tell.
Twenty years is a long time - and I've accepted that it's time enough, movie-wise, to "make things right".
quote: It seems unlikely that the Emperor would reveal his connection with a notedly evil group while trying to secure power. And noone really knew of his playing both sides in the war except Dooku, even Anakin didn't.
Well, the Sith are evil according to the Jedi. But the Jedi are evil according to the heroic Emperor - and he has plenty of material from the "Jedi coup attempt" to back up the claim. The average Joe may not find the concept of the Sith particularly troubling, and can dismiss rumors about their past horrors as Jedi propaganda.
As for who actually knows what Palpatine did... Many of the clones ought to have an inkling, after witnessing the battlefield events - they are very obedient, but they aren't nonsapient. But if they are as easily "reprogrammed" or "turned off" as the Separationist droids, then the information should be easily contained. Something must have happened to the clones anyway, in a relatively short time, since in the final montage the military is shown to consist of varied "humans" even before Luke is delivered to Tatooine...
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Well, just the bridge crew aboard that ship, right? For all we know the Republic's navy was made up of some regular folk even during the Clone War(s).
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There was that transition/force lightening bit - and that didn't sit right to me - the scene didn't show him 'ageing' or 'melting' - it was if a mask was blown away. Looking at the visual dictionary in the book store yesterday - that is what is said - the force lightning reveals Palpatine's TRUE FACE.
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One of the Imperial officers says to Vader in Ep4 that the Jedi are gone from the galaxy and that Vader is the last of their religion. He seemed to be talking about all Force users since Vader had just got done extoling the power of the Force in general, not the Sith. It also seems apparent that Vader's former Jedi membership is common knowledge, at least among the Imperial ranks. But viewing these statements in the light of Eps 1-3, Palpatine could very easily be viewed simply as the Chancellor-cum-Emperor who has the last loyal Jedi in his service. There needn't be anything supernatural about him. His pretence of innocence is also not that important anymore, though, now that he has pretty much complete power.
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Obi-wan and Anakin heard the name Vader in the security recording of Anakin kneeling to Palpatine. "Consumed by Darth Vader he has been," or somesuch. But yeah, I don't think we have any reason to believe R2 knows Darth Vader = Anakin, at least not unless he overhears the conversation with Dead Ben in ep6.
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Or he heard some comments between Ben, Bail and Yoda after leaving Anakin to die on the lava planet.
R2 had to know something was afoot and something was different. Jedi temple destroyed, Anakin in league with Palpatine, Anaking flies off to the lava world with R2 on some mission for Palpatine. R2 then retrieved by Ben and company and leaves the lava world without Anakin. Anakin and Padme's twins are separated at birth and taken in secret to adoptive parents...
Plus he could have had opportunity to converse with 3P0 before his memory was wiped.
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quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: And... does R2 even know that Anakin is father?
That's rather unlikely, but, who knows...
C3P0's father, right? Luke's half brother?
Tarkin was the one that said Vader was "the last of that religion", but that might just refer to his reverence towards the force and not the ability to manipulate it. Tarkin was Vader's boss (somehow), so I'm sure he was "in the loop" on what Palpaltine was capable of.
Strangely, most of the EU nad gaming stuff refers to Palpy as being a "humans only" sort of bigot, but all his right hand men in I-III are (except taht sap Doku) not human.
I wonder why the switch...
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Well, his NT plans hinged rather heavily on getting all his right-hand men KILLED...
Okay, perhaps Darth Maul was not supposed to die, or at least his death served no obvious purpose in Palpatine's designs. But all the Separatist associates of his were sacrificial lambs from Day One of the plan. And whatever supporters he had in the Senate became fairly irrelevant once he gained power.
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I meant the blue guy with the horns and the creepy bald chick mainly. The asian sterotype aliens were obviously expendable from the start.
I'm still notconvinced that Doku knew Palpaltine and Sideous were the same guy. He was a sap- at least Darth Maul seemed to have Sideous' confidence.
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