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Yeah, knew-jerk reaction, and too late to edit it once I saw it.
Still, TMP was NOT "cerebral"- it was a bad '70's movie in Trek clothes with 2001 pretrnsions.
Purdy models and effects though.
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There were no visual effects in TMP that did not serve a purpose within the context of the plot and theme.
Many people don't like the film, and that is their prerogative, but it was the ONLY Trek film that was made using the old-school cinematic techniques of true professionals. Its deep-running observations on the needs of human beings and how they are met are expressed through each subplot and event, coming together to form a cohesive and layered whole that can scarcely be compared to the hackneyed, juvenile antics of, say, TWOK.
I bet the people who like TWOK better than TMP are the same ones who would say that Adrian Lyne's 1997 version of Lolita is better than Stanley Kubrick's 1962 version...
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While we are staking out the extremes, people who prefer Star Trek One over Star Trek Two are not legal adults.
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An interesting note I just thought of then... out of the TOS movies the ODD numbered movies are the movies with the better soundtracks.
TMP, TSFS, and TVH are fantastic soundtracks. Actually TWOK and TUC are fantastic too - maybe it should just be TVH is utter crap (soundtrack wise).
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I'll take the effects over the '70 disco attire on McCoy and the AM/FM reciever waistlines.
Besides, the real problem is that they went to extremes to re-create the (supposed) grandur of space shown in 2001: a Space Odyssey, and it works with the itroduction of the "new" Enterprise, but the movie never picks up speed from [i]there and earned the title "motionless Picture".
Besides, as they realized with the success of TWOK, Trek is better (and far more popular) not being 2001. ...though TWOK was still "a submarine movie inside a lava lamp".
Anyone want the TMP Director's cut? Trade ya for...almost nothing.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Its deep-running observations on the needs of human beings and how they are met are expressed through each subplot and event, coming together to form a cohesive and layered whole that can scarcely be compared to the hackneyed, juvenile antics of, say, TWOK.
You take that back right now, mister. TSFS you could call hackneyed, TVH, trite from a certain point of view, TFF, I don't think you'll find any arguments there, and while TUC has its fans, it was definitely patterned after the Greatest Star Trek Film Of All Time Evar. No, but I'm not sure how the themes of all-consuming vendetta, loyalty, old-age/mortality, sacrifice, and the destructive aspects of creation could be catagorized as juvenile antics. I doubt Melville or Dickens would be inclined to agree. I don't see in what way bringing these elements together in a thrilling action movie that just happens to be set in in literal space directly proportional to those well-worn human themes--so you wind up with the main character in the throes of real pathos in the midst of a space-battle action-adventure saga with a final resolution so painful and yet so beautiful could be counted as hackneyed. Attack the other films if you must, talk about how Chekov wasn't in "Space Seed", mock the popularity of the Ceti Alpha system but if you go after the storytelling or themes in Khan, you better back that shit up. I am fully prepared to throw down for the second Star Trek movie.
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: I bet the people who like TWOK better than TMP are the same ones who would say that Adrian Lyne's 1997 version of Lolita is better than Stanley Kubrick's 1962 version...
Well you're just wrong all over the place, aren't you? I do love me some Jeremy Irons, but James Mason, I mean c'mon.
TMP does get a bad rap. Those who would dismiss it for the seventies fashion and haircuts, are missing the point (and perhaps also completely ignoring the three seasons of TOS). Honestly as originally cut, the special effects sequences are indulgent. And to those who haven't already checked it out, I recommend the Director's Cut. It's emminently more watchable. And though it is often compared (unflatteringly) to 2001 (and undeniably it does deal with some similar themes) but it does so in a more overtly calculated way, the method of the rationalist reflected by the spectre of V'ger itself, while maintaining the essential optimism, curiosity and spirit of exploration lacking in the later Trek films.
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