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Was the star/planet in STII Regula or Regulus? Could they be separate locations?
Actually, I want to see a SciFi series (or even read one) set just within Sol system. With 9 planets 140 moons and untold other objects (asteroids, comets, etc...), there are plenty of locations for stories. Sure, they aren't naturally life bearinig worlds, but that shouldn't stop a good story. Plenty of ideas out there for artifical stations, domed cities, etc...
Same would hold for all these other stars. Artifical stations would work just fine. Or, just because we haven't found any life bearing planets there doesn't mean there aren't any. We may not be looking in the right spot or just haven't found them yet. I've seen other websites that project where a life bearing planet would be located.
quote:amma Hydrae is most easily found by beginning at Spica (alpha Virginis). Twelve degrees due south of this very bright star is gamma Hydrae, the last 'hump' or coil in the serpent Hydra. �����Gamma Hya is also due east of beta Corvi, if you found this star while searching for M68.
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In ST2, the station had the callsign "Regula I", and the planetoid was simply called "Regula" by Spock. Or then the station carried the name of the planetoid, which would fully have been called Regula I, but Spock felt like slacking that day. Or then the planetoid was actually Regula IX, circling the star Regula, and the station was the first installation in the system and carried appropriate callsign. Or then the star was named Rumpelstiltskin, and the planetoid, which would systematically have been Rumpelstiltskin VII, had the proper name Regula.
...In other words, no way to tell. But nothing in the movie was called "Regulus", that much is sure.
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I fear that information won't help very much in finding the location in the galaxy of Gamma Hydrae, as it is only a visual means to find the star in the Terran night sky. Though it does give me a general distance- cause it appears to be of such a distance that it's not on any local maps.
Yup, I shall go with "Regula" incarnations and put it back were you think it should go, and list the star Regulus, where it should actually be!
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Thanks Herb, that map helped a lot! Ok, here is the Map: http://www.craigdannenberg.com/bajor/mapnew.gif Gamma Hydrae I moved back to almost where I had it- but it fell in what I had UFP space so I pushed RSE space in a wee bit so that it'd fall on their side.
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Actually, I want to see a SciFi series (or even read one) set just within Sol system.
Cowboy Bebop. Infinitely cool.
Seconded.
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As we debate the finer points of Federation worlds I�d also like to start on the rest of the galaxy, I ponder I�ll put this on a page later, with an image map of the galaxy you can click and bring up whatever location, and then zoom in further to see the depth views.
It has been quoted that the Federation is 8000ly across- for argument�s sake I�m making it 8000ly across from top to bottom, making it less than half that from right to left. I then centered everything on where the sun is in the galaxy, and then named the arms: Norma, Scutum-Crux, Sagittarius-Crux, Orion, Perseus, & Cygnus- these are actually the names and locations of the arms, Earth rests in the Orion Arm. In TNG-The Price where they were bidding for use of the Barzan wormhole, the first probe through ended up in the Dinkiri Arm of the Gamma Quadrant, Picard states that it would take nearly a century at warp 9 to get there, and that would just so happen to mesh the galaxy image- as there is a slight spur arm that distance away in the Gamma Quadrant. Later though Data reports that the wormhole shifted 200ly into the Delta Quadrant- that�s not very far- 48 days at warp 9, which later in Voyager is on their path home in the middle of the Delta Quadrant, so that doesn�t make sense, but Troi also reads the mind of a Ferengi in that episode, so I�ll add that to my list of ignored details.
If any episodes stick out in any of your minds of containing interesting galactic information please note them� VOY-Ship in a bottle was interesting- Though in their graphic of the galaxy it was a spiral galaxy, and not a barred spiral galaxy- and they referred to everything in the Beta Quadrant as being in the Alpha Quadrant- Why don�t the producers hire a room of us to proof-read the scripts? Don�t they know we�d do it just for like nothing?
Seven mentioned that the relay network seemed to be abandoned, and that once she tapped into it she got signals from all the relays, and later the Hirogen tried to hang up on her- I ponder that an earlier species built it- and the Hirogen later found one of the relay stations and used the entire network- it spanned from the center of the Delta to the center of the Beta Quadrant- and the Hirogen don�t seem to be advanced enough for such a building project.
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Well, theoretically you could put the first end of the Barzan wormhole just 100 ly from the Gamma/Delta border (there's still a wisp of that "armlet" you have labeled as Dinkiri there), and the second end (the one where Data and LaForge emerged) 100 ly from that border but on the other side.
You could then postulate that the Ferengi attempted to get aboard the wormhole express for a return trip (since "False Profits" establishes that the freely whipping end does revisit the places it has previously been to), but failed and got dropped off somewhere along Voyager's route. Intact cross-series continuity at the cost of an offscreen complication...
Here's another complication you can use instead: Data might be saying that the initial Barzan readings were doubly at fault: the previous probe actually ended in the Delta quadrant and only falsely read as Gamma, and the mission with Data aboard ended 200 ly from that point.
Perhaps Data only realizes the initial probe readings were in fundamental error when taking a good look at what the wormhole looks like from the other end, and noticing a distorting effect that would fool a dumb probe. Or perhaps the Barzans sent out several probes, the first of which ended up in Gamma, and the others got dropped at various other locations but the Barzans refused to accept their coordinate data because they already "knew" the hole led to Gamma. Data would only reference the records of the penultimate mission when identifying a discrepancy, and would note that that mission had gone to Delta, 200 ly from the location of the crewed mission.
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The map looks really good. A lot more detailed than I ever came up with (not to mention there are a lot more details to add since I tried to make maps 20 years ago...)
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*L* I realize now that I have a MAJOR scale problem.... As the scale at legend denotes 50ly- this would only make the Federation 500ly across! And it's supposed to be 8000ly- now we can cheat a little I figure in the distance, because the Federation is very nebular and as we get to the farthest reaches the member worlds are more spread out with more non-aligned worlds inbetween them, so we I would say that the 8000ly is determined from the two member worlds that are most distant from one another- This gives me a little wiggle room- but the gap between 8000 and 500 is too great.
Now I don't think much alteration is needed, but real stars are not correct- many of them, with the size of the map are going to pose a problem, because they'd be right on top of Earth- so a zoom in of Earth and the neighboring 100ly is probably needed. I'll have to reponder the location of Gamma Hydrae- it may be too close now to be Romulan on the map.
Trek has always been good in some aspects to following science, but also very poor in some ways- for example, if the UFP is 8000ly - it'd take 5.3 years to cross it at warp nine... yet we're always seeing Empires that seem nearly as vast, and they often get from one to the other quickly, and to other places- like in Star Trek V: the Enterprise makes it's way to the Great Barrier at the core of the galaxy...... Given the known location of the Sun in the galaxy, and the distance to the barrier, which you can see on the galaxy map really, it'd take over a decade at high warp to get there!
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quote:Originally posted by Shakaar: Trek has always been good in some aspects to following science, but also very poor in some ways- for example, if the UFP is 8000ly - it'd take 5.3 years to cross it at warp nine... yet we're always seeing Empires that seem nearly as vast, and they often get from one to the other quickly, and to other places- like in Star Trek V: the Enterprise makes it's way to the Great Barrier at the core of the galaxy...... Given the known location of the Sun in the galaxy, and the distance to the barrier, which you can see on the galaxy map really, it'd take over a decade at high warp to get there!
Or that DS-9 was supposed to be way out in the sticks, yet is only 3 weeks away from Earth at warp.
Or that vast Klingon and Romulan fleets crossed the entire width of the Federation and arrived at DS-9 (or that any Klingon or Romulan ships did it at all...)
Or that the NX-01 made it from Earth to Q'onos and back in just a few weeks at no more than Warp 5.
No, Trek's not been that good when it comes to size/scale. The size is determined by needs of plot.
It'd be hard due to stellar distances for any fleets to engage in battle unless you could go lots faster.
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Sorry, I rescaled it, but did not upload it yet, cause I figured with the galaxy being 100,000ly across, with 18 segments across (there are four in the middle that are not there... each would be 5555ly, so it should be 1.5 segments- Then this puts Federation space 18,000ly from the great barrier. I sometimes ponder warp speed is faster than the numbers they put out, though sometimes they do get things right, like how long it would take to get to the Dinkiri Arm.
This has caused me to really look things over, and I had a bit of a head on desk moments....
If warp 9 is 1,516 times the speed of light, oh so fast!, but it would still take 1.2 days to travel to the nearest star! Even low warp shows the stars flying past, but really, they should all be barely creeping, cause that makes no sense that each second many dozen are passed by if it takes over a day to reach one.
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